Follow on thread III - Feeling sad and weary that feminists and trans-women are constantly pitted against one another.

Genital checks again. Such active imaginations some have. Odd how its never feminists who bring up these genital checks. Another thing feminists do not say, but get blamed for saying, basically.

Thank you for the new thread. Here's what I was typing while it got full:

1. Leave the GRA well alone
2. Self ID would work on a honour system controlled by women

What the fuck do you think self-ID means?

You have NO SAY in how women decide in any specific circumstance to operate our honour system. It's up to the particular women who are there in that situation to decide whether they will let a transwoman in based on the particulars of the situation, the transwoman's behaviour (including choices they have made about their appearance) and the personal boundaries of every woman there.

Our honour system is not up for debate and absolutely should not be enshrined in legislation. It's a favour women extend to transwomen who don't take the piss. It is absolutely not a right and the moment it is treated as such it ceases to be an honour system and starts being an erosion of women's rights.

This has nothing to do with self-ID, which is the change that is being proposed to the GRA. Self-ID means that instead of needing a diagnosis of gender dysphoria and 2 years worth of documents to legally change gender, you can just sign a form.

I don't know what you think self-ID is perfectly, but it's not anything anybody else here is discussing and it's nothing to do with what is being proposed as an actual change to the actual law.

As long as a transwoman passes, what's the problem? It's not like there are going to be genital checks or anything.

Thank you for the third thread, Sophocles!

I didn't want to bugger off for Christmas without wishing a good one to everyone who has been so painstaking and eloquent on behalf of a gender critical position.

I'm already a couple of gins into the night, so I shall hold off on agreeing with Batshite about homophobia lest I am too intemperate about it.

See you after Boxing Day for further discussion, I am sure.

Happy Christmas!

Yes the post about lesbians. I couldn't believe that one. Last post on the thread as well!

Inevitable that there had to be a new thread to reply to it.

I find the comparison with lebians and male people really offensive. Last post in that thread.

Its not sexuality thats important. Its sex.

Male lesbians do not exist. So bringing up lesbians in relation to sex segregation is homophobic.

Thanks for the thread.

In response to the post about lesbians in sex segregated areas (should be self explanatory as they are sex segregated not sexual orientation segregated...)

The truth is that we don't know anyone's true motives - male or female

What we do know is that 98% of sexual crimes are committed by men. Incidentally, trans-identified men still continue to commit crimes at the same rate as other men. We also know that lesbians are women. HTH