Jeremy Corbyn speaks about trans rights

I am both surprised and upset.

I'm a Labour Party member and would like to write to them about it. Are there any template letters about self identification?

So hang on... a man can inherit a title that his sister can't, yet still be able to be protected under the laws that protect women, just cause he says so?!

Lord bob of bobsville, taking up a positive discrimination place in place of a woman?!

I did not know this.

Is anyone surprised by this? There are so many reasons why corbyn will get this wrong. First, he's an idiot who gets everything wrong. Second, he has no respect for women or the feminist agenda except insofar as it provides him with a stick to beat tories with. He sides with Islamic fundamentalist for gods sake, he thinks feminism is namby pamby middle class BS. Third he is frantically running after the youth vote as he has realised the young people of this country may be stupid enough to make him PM. And if they do, I'm leaving and they can have their socialist utopia- but who will pay their tuition fees if everyone like me ups and leaves, poor darlings

Actually I reckon if you asked the average person on the street, they probably wouldn't agree that women are still oppressed

And that's the whole logic of our trans argument out the window.

Lass I'm not May's biggest fan but agree that she probably understands the need for sex segregation where women need them. Defending that need is probably way down her list of priorities ATM and she'll get slaughtered if she tries.

Also furious about this, but not surprised. Fuck him.

Indominus perhaps it's liked to the 'ick' factor around women's bodies. I have 3 teenage nieces and you should see their reaction if I mention the word periods or god forbid vagina.

I was also horrified at their misconceptions about feminism. I really don't believe much progress is happening, if any.

Justanother the single sex train carriages are a different issue (and MTT would be allowed to access them under self ID). But it shows how muddled Corbyn's thinking is.

He will attach himself to any bandwagon at the moment

Corbyn is a self-important idiot. He has behaved appallingly since the election (which in case he didn't notice Labour lost) His hanging out and being cool at Glastonbury was deeply embarrassing.

May, I suspect might understand the need for single sex facilities but will be name called and bullied if she does not go along with this.

Walking - I know so many women who buy into this - and many are very focussed on their kids, super into sharing birth stories, breast feeding promotion etc but apparently have a total blind spot about the fact that womens oppression is entirely based on reproductive biology.

So many people can't see the problem with this. It must be that they don't believe women are oppressed due to being biological women, hence the need to keep a word to define us.

What seems to clear to us, it just not widely believed. No idea how that can be challenged.

Is it a - they don't believe women are oppressed?
b - they think TW will are oppressed in exactly the same ways as biological women?
c - they believe women and TW are oppressed for some other reason than biology?

Thanks, Spaghetti. So men benefitting under a sexist law won't be thrown under that bus then. How heartening.

www.tatler.com/news/articles/august-2016/trans-toffs

Until 2004, transgender people were not formally recognised 
by English law in their acquired sex. Then came the Gender Recognition Act (GRA) 2004, which allows them to be fully recognised in their new gender by the law, provided they meet certain criteria. But the lawyers who thrashed out the act must have debated the issue of trans toffs, because they made one exception. Section 16 states: 'The fact that a person's gender has become the acquired gender under this Act (a) does not affect the descent of any peerage or dignity or title of honour, and (b) does not affect the devolution of any property.' So, as the law stands, the marquess's transgender brother would not get the dukedom.

Assigned, what?? How on earth have they legislated for that?

I'm being flippant but I do love the idea of oldest daughters in the gentry suddenly deciding that they are male and whipping the family pile and title away from the younger son who had assumed that they were his.

Except they can't - that's been explicitly excluded from the laws around this.

Collidascope
No it seems the powers that be already thought of this and ensured it could not happen. Funny that.

I'm being flippant but I do love the idea of oldest daughters in the gentry suddenly deciding that they are male and whipping the family pile and title away from the younger son who had assumed that they were his.

No prob, Macaroon. You have to put these round the link but without spaces.

I notice they haven't allowed comments at the bottom of this article. Just to stifle debate that bit more.

'This is s deal breaker and I will not for vote for any party that supports this shit! Women are HALF the population and we are getting pissed off'

Very much seconded

I am horrified by this collective madness. FFs is it not obvious to anyone with their head screwed on that biology is not based on 'the feels'??!

FFS

Yes I'm, with you Datun; I also have become rabid on this issue. Between that and the Scottish Government issuing a consultation about changing toilets in schools to gender neutral, I am on the war path with this, and, if any politicians are reading:
This is s deal breaker and I will not for vote for any party that supports this shit! Women are HALF the population and we are getting pissed off

I am going to write in response to the Scottish government consultation. Any Scottish MNs who are going to write?

Who is he trying to attract with this?

What do you think the cross-over is between Momentum and SJW types? My reckon would be "considerable".

JustAnotherPoster00

I can't tell if you're agreeing or not, by linking that thread?

You're right of course

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2455870-Women-only-train-carriages-really