Trans law in USA

I've never seen anything but young males in the changing rooms, ever. Women aren't taking their sons into changing rooms in droves and the situation is managed well. I think saying that a twelve year old male was once spotted in the women's changing room therefore all males should enter the women's changing rooms is really, really stupid.

I would need a much better reason why we need to open up the female changing rooms to males.

So i do wonder how women can demand transwomen can't use female spaces, when they insist their own sons can.

There is a difference between a young child and an adult male.

Even though i agree that a 12yo boy in women's is bonkers. Must be mortifying to him that girls see him naked.

That "new backlash" blog is fucking magnificent.

"There are many, many threads on here about changing facilities, and women who say they don't feel their 8+ boy is safe to use the mens, so they feel completely within their rights to take them in the womens."

They shouldn't.

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Trans activists argue TERF stands for Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists. Initially I think it started out as women who voice a feeling that trans women shouldn't be treated as women and that they are parodies of women. Which understandably seems cruel to people with a medical issue.
Over time this has morphed to anyone who doesn't accept that trans women are literally women the same as any other, says they are biologically male or points out they don't share pretty much universal female characteristics such as menstruation, childbirth etc.
Riding on the coat tails of this are some extremely unhinged people who think it's fine to threaten "TERFs" with rape and violence, or to shout down anyone making any reference to feminism they don't like with "TERF"
Here is anot article written about TERFs by a trans woman.
m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5632332

Here is an article documenting the abuse "TERFs" get online terfisaslur.com

Here is a handy checklist of how to tell if you are a TERF
transadvocate.com/you-might-be-a-terf-if_n_10226.htm

Here's a takedown of the "TERFs don't accept I'm a woman and it's literally violence" by a trans woman thenewbacklash.blogspot.co.uk/p/3-birds-and-bees-bigoted-hate-speech.html?m=1

For info: I don't think most men would care if male toilets were converted to unisex.

At work two out of four toilets are unisex. It was going to be all four but some of the women, and none of the men, objected and so the arrangements were changed.

(I'm just following along quietly, trying to understand the MN/feminist issue with the Trans lobby - and to find out what TERFy means)

Isn't that what family changing rooms are for?

really

I would complain to the management. Is not right that a 12-year-old girl can just walk on a naked boy.

Yes, and lots of women point out they don't like it.

Really generally children use the opposite changing rooms until about age 8, which is fine

Of course it is. But as i said, ime the age limit is not respected.

There are many, many threads on here about changing facilities, and women who say they don't feel their 8+ boy is safe to use the mens, so they feel completely within their rights to take them in the womens.

Really generally children use the opposite changing rooms until about age 8, which is fine.

The women's toilet is in great demand. Funny that

I find it slightly wierd that these days womens toilets/spaces are seen as "safe".

Mens are dens of criminal activity and paediphilia.

I frequent leisure centres a lot. There are boys in there up to teenage years, taken in, or even sent in alone, by mothers who think mens are too dangerous.

Tbh, the female spaces at the leisure centre i use might as well be unisex, there are often more boys than girls in there. My 12 year old opened an unlocked shower cubicle to find a naked boy, taller than her. His mum was in a different part of the building.

So i do wonder how women can demand transwomen can't use female spaces, when they insist their own sons can.

Nail on the head Datun, there are more than one kind of trans.

There are young women escaping their lot or going along with the zeitgeist, effeminate gay men who find life easier as trans as that seems to be the way the river is flowing, kids transitioned because they played soccer, or the other side of the pond played football, both used as indicative that a child was a different sex but depending on which side of the pond you were on the sex differed.

Then there are late transitioning men with a sexual fetish, who seem to be driving the movement.

It's a mess, a total mess.

I've finally got the whole thing straight in my mind. Transwomen are either autogynephiles, or they have gender dysphoria or a mixture of both. Gender dysphoria is a psychological illness in the same way as anorexia or transablism. It should not be given civil rights.

Autogynephilia is a sexual fetish and should not be given civil rights.

Trans men are trying to escape their gender roles, or they are gay and don't want to come out, or they have gender dysphoria, or a mixture of all three. None of which should be given civil rights.

They have the same rights as everyone else, they can wear what they like but that's it.

The end.

Best comment I have seen on trans on DataLounge (Gay Forum)

"No one gave a shit until the mentally ill guys co-opted the trannies to cover their autogynephilia. Someone with a penis and a beard has no business changing in a room with little girls. "

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The women's toilet is in great demand. Funny that

gendertrender.wordpress.com/2016/06/30/manhood-has-limits-for-transmen-who-prefer-womens-facilities/

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I'm not sure Caitlyn Jenner is the most credible of advocates for transgender. She admitted to stealing her daughter's underwear and told Ellen DeGeneres that she did not believe in same-sex marriage.

And I don't think Donald Trump will take kindly to that thinly veiled intimidatory stance.

I'm almost looking forward to the bunfight!

Wow. That blog article is confused.

The last comments from the transman who finds the mens locker intimidating and dangerous, so believes womens locker rooms should be unisex? How is that helping the problem at all? If a man/boy is going to whip a curtain aside, or thrust their crotch at you in the mens locker room, what on earth is going to stop them from doing it in a unisex one?

That's what concerns me Prawn, there'll be an increase in non violent but none the less threatening sexual encounters and the perpetrator will be able to claim they are of no risk because, hey, they're a woman.

There was a recent case where a transitioning man took covert photos of two women and their defence was along the lines of they liked the women's outfits and it would help them in their quest to become a woman.

There's a blog post here that suggests transmen still use women's facilities regardless of transition because the men's are too dangerous. Personally I don't blame them at all - they're female - but it strikes me that if we women are expected to accommodate everyone who is trans loos will end up being split like the Green party: men and non-men.

Earlier in this thread posters were discussing various sexual abuses they had experienced that would not have been of interest to the police.

Seems to me that if we reach a situation where any man can decide he's a woman one day that, sure, there'll be an increase in rapes and violent attacks, but what we will see a massive rise in what you might call below the radar assaults.

Say you're in the ladies and become aware that a man in the next cubicle is wanking, what are you going to do? Or if some man who may be trans or just a cross dresser is staring at you in the shower? What are we going to say? I could hear him/he was staring? An ever increasing body of minor intrusions, incidents that make women feel violated, disgusted and insecure.

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The claim that transwomen should be allowed in women's sex-segregated spaces because otherwise they are at risk of male violence is a nonsense.

First, what about all the other men at risk - effeminate gay men for instance? Second, as soon as men are allowed in if they claim to be women then any creep can - and will - do exactly that.

Because as soon as transwomen are allowed in women's spaces they stop being single sex.