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Stop airlines charging women extra for travelling with expressed milk

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SantasBigHelper · 04/01/2017 15:12

Please sign and share if you agree:

www.change.org/p/justine-greening-mp-allow-women-to-fly-with-expressed-breastmilk-free-of-charge

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SantasBigHelper · 04/01/2017 17:43

OK, thanks SpeakNo I'll have a think. I'm a bit down on the whole thing right now.

Here is the link regarding not being allowed empty containers through security in the UK:

www.gov.uk/hand-luggage-restrictions/overview

Liquids in containers larger than 100ml generally can’t go through security even if the container is only part full. There are some exemptions.

Presumably this is the regulation security have referred to when removing empty bottle of more than 100ml from me.

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SpeakNoWords · 04/01/2017 17:36

When I started reading it I thought you incorrectly thought that women had to pay to take ebm in hand luggage. I realised that you meant the much more specific situation where a woman is travelling without her baby, but still wants to transport ebm, I think mostly you mean on the return journey. The key bit is about travelling without your baby, which means that the normal hand luggage liquid rules apply. I'd just make it clearer that's what you mean, and try and make it shorter and more concise.

SantasBigHelper · 04/01/2017 17:20

Speakno - do you have any advice on how to clarify?

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SantasBigHelper · 04/01/2017 17:19

Chocchoc - I mean what you propose sounds great!! It's just not an option in my field. Clients offer to book me. I can choose whether or not to take the job based on location, duration and potential earnings. I need to take some bookings as I need some wages. I've cut back drastically on what I say yes to.

I can't ask clients to move the location to nearer my baby, and I can't bring the baby with me. Permanent contracts are a thing of the past.

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SantasBigHelper · 04/01/2017 17:09

Oh god. I'm all flustered and read it wrong. Well I can't find a link re. empty bottles in the UK, though I know I've had them confiscated numerous times.

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SantasBigHelper · 04/01/2017 17:06

sorry - sp. phoenix!

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SpeakNoWords · 04/01/2017 17:05

ChocChoc link says you can take empty bottles though, not that you can't.

Don't dump the whole petition. Can you edit it? Clarify the rules and who has made them, and clarify why you are petitioning.

ChocChocPorridge · 04/01/2017 17:03

Because in my opinion, the better solution for women isn't to have them travelling for days away from a baby they want to be breastfeeding. In my opinion, expressing is something to be done a bit, if a woman wants to, not to be forced into because she has to be back on the road.

As I said, I don't think that transporting litres of breastmilk is good for anyone. I think that we need to acknowledge that a breastfeeding woman needs accommodations, but I think those should be in facilitating them to stay near their baby for that first 6 months or so - just as we facilitate parents with flexible working and maternity leave.

As a freelancer, I, too was back at my desk within a couple of weeks each time (I love my job - I wasn't forced back) - but freelance is my choice. I could go and take a permanent job, and I would have had the maternity leave etc. We do have to take responsibility for our choices in these cases.

SantasBigHelper · 04/01/2017 17:02

Thank Pheonix,

I thought it was worth including because it was an instance of a woman having to dump a lot of milk.

TBH having received such a unanimously negative response I might just dump the whole idea. Sad

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Phoenix15 · 04/01/2017 17:00

Previous threads on one of the women the petition links to were pretty unanimous in agreeing that this one woman was expecting a pretty unreasonable bending of the rules www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2621991--to-think-the-breastmilk-dumping-woman-should-have-read-the-bloody-guidelines and www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2621653-14ltrs-of-breast-milk-on-a-plane

Quite frankly including her 'issue' in with the petition is doing the petition no favours tbh.

SantasBigHelper · 04/01/2017 16:55

Speakno - Chocchoc has (kindly) found a link regarding empty water bottles above.

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SantasBigHelper · 04/01/2017 16:54

Chocchoc - But why not try to make things better?

If not for me during my own period of breastfeeding, then for other women in the future.

I'm not 'pretending I can carry on exactly as before'. I'm trying to earn an income for my little family. My work trips are not glamorous affairs, and I'd rather I didn't have to go on them whilst my son is still so tiny to be honest, but my work is my work. It's what I do. I can't get State Maternity Pay and I still need to pay the mortgage.

Thanks for the link re. empty bottles not being allowed. I couldn't find the details just knew from experience they don't let you through with them in the UK.

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SpeakNoWords · 04/01/2017 16:49

Check it on for free I think, as unlimited amounts in hand luggage would be impractical.

I'm asking about the empty bottles thing because I think it's incorrect. I've never seen any guidance about this in any prohibited items list. To think a pack of expressing bags would be confiscated too seems totally incorrect as well. If you want people to sign it I think you need a lot more links and explanation as to what the exact rules are, and who is making those rules.

ChocChocPorridge · 04/01/2017 16:45

I'm not in the UK right now - hence my knowledge of this - I'm on planes around europe a lot, and the US/Asia occasionally. Never had an issue with my family's empty bottles.

www.caa.co.uk/Passengers/Before-you-fly/Baggage/What-items-can-I-travel-with/

SantasBigHelper · 04/01/2017 16:41

It's all in the petition.

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Fallonjamie · 04/01/2017 16:40

So the proposal is to abandon the liquids rules? Or let you check in hold luggage for free?

SantasBigHelper · 04/01/2017 16:39

Can't find a link about empty containers unfortunately. But having had them removed from me many many times I'm pretty sure about the rules the security personnel are working to in the UK (even if they are not the officially published rules).

I'm not sure why everyone is focussing on the empty bottles aspect anyway. I'm trying to help breastfeeding mothers travel without paying extra...it wasn't really all about the empty bottles.

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SantasBigHelper · 04/01/2017 16:34

Chocchoc - are you in the UK? It's a bit off topic to keep going on about the empty bottles, as this wasn't the issue I was highlighting, but you are definitely not allowed to carry empty containers of more than 7 x 100ml through security here. I have taken bottles bigger than this (full and empty) though at other airports round the world, but if they are picked up at X-ray the bottles will be confiscated.

Why should a BFing woman have to pay extra to transport expressed milk? If she travels a lot she has no option but to bring milk home with her to replenish her store of milk for the next trip.Even if she is only away for a night or two a month for work this starts to get very expensive very quickly (especially if she is freelance like me and has to pay her own travel). It's not the same as someone wanting to take shampoo or wine in their case.

'either you'll need to travel less, or use formula'

Eh? This isn't a very helpful solution.

I can't travel less. I'm freelance so I don't get maternity pay, and I would receive only £28 a week maternity allowance which isn't enough for us to survive on.

Plus my baby can't drink formula.

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TheDisreputableDog · 04/01/2017 16:29

There is nothing in that guide that suggests you can't transport empty containers... it says gels/liquids etc must be in containers smaller than 100ml.

ChocChocPorridge · 04/01/2017 16:29

That's the rule of liquids - not of empty bottles.. container size refers to the size of the container for the liquid.

EG. I once tried to travel with a half-empty bottle of anti-histamine - there was less than 100ml of liquid, but it was a 250ml bottle so it was confiscated. Had it been an entirely empty bottle, it would have been fine.

SpeakNoWords · 04/01/2017 16:29

Your link is only about containers with contents, not empty ones, as far as I can see.

SantasBigHelper · 04/01/2017 16:23

Speakno - you might be able to sneak empty bags through in a roll as they look less like containers on an X-ray machine, but if they find them the will confiscate them.

www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/liquids-rule

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ChocChocPorridge · 04/01/2017 16:23

practical or sensible solution.. sorry - it submitted without me!

ChocChocPorridge · 04/01/2017 16:22

Sorry, what?

Empty bottles are restricted?

Of course they're not - you can carry as many empty bottles as you'd like in your hand luggage if they fit! - we always take empty water bottles for instance, so that's 4 litres of empty bottle that's been through multiple airports across the world, and no-one has batted an eyelid, and why on earth would they?

If you want to carry large amounts of breast milk about, you'll have to check it. If you're travelling on a budget airline, that costs extra. That costs whether you're carrying breastmilk or nappies, or you're 6'6" and need more space for your larger clothes.

I think that in this case, what someone's wanting to do something quite so unusual as carry litres of liquid around, they are the ones that should bear the brunt of that cost.

Mind you, given how luggage handlers chuck suitcases about, I don't know that I really like the idea of litres of milk in a suitcase either.. I had a vodka bottle smash once and that caused enough havoc.

I completely support breastfeeding and obviously I'm a feminist, but I can't see that if you have a young baby, you can carry on exactly as you were - something has to give - either you'll need to travel less, or use formula a bit when you haven't been able to express enough. I don't think that carrying 3 gallons of breastmilk through heathrow is really a practical or s

SantasBigHelper · 04/01/2017 16:19

Ps..It might be a 'non-issue' for you, but it's not for me and other professional working mums who have to travel for work. There are two links on the petition to articles where women have had to dump large volumes of milk at security.

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