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BDSM and Feminism?

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LittleBooInABox · 18/12/2016 19:32

What are your thoughts, can someone be in a BDSM relationship and still be a feminist?

Can a women yield control to her partner, (male or female) in a safe, sane and consensual manor.

Or not?

I'm curious.

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BartholinsSister · 19/12/2016 11:28

I don't see why slapping your partner or calling him a cumslut would stop you being a feminist, if that is what you both enjoy.

Branleuse · 19/12/2016 10:32

yes people into BDSM can be feminist and often are. Your sexual tastes are your own business as long as everybody is into it and enthusiastically consenting, then its nobody elses business.
Somebody might be really into being sexually dominated, but thats not because they think that is a womans role to be submissive.

venusinscorpio · 19/12/2016 10:28

I agree with Gallavich on this.

girlwiththeflaxenhair · 19/12/2016 09:04

That's why enjoying being slapped and called a cumslut is a harmful activity in a macro (as well as micro IMO) sense

I am not into BDSM, but i do wonder - if someone does enjoy these things - should they suppress it ? Is the enjoyment purely from socialisation ? Where does it all come from ?

pineappleshortbread · 19/12/2016 09:00

I consider myself a feminist and I enjoy Bdsm. We dont do the name calling though just the ropes and whips Wink

My husband isnt to fussed either way but he does it because I like it and not every sexual encounter is Bdsm its actually a rare occasion if we do Bdsm.

You can be feminist and into Bdsm it doesnt effect anyone but those involved. It also doesnt effect the womans political or feminist views.

I think its no ones business what others get up to in the bedroom

LittleBooInABox · 19/12/2016 08:31

But I fail to understand how being slapped and called a cumslut (not everyone is into degrading play) is harmful to wider society?
What about the men who submit to a women or is that because of the patriarchy as well?

It is clear that not many understand BDSM for what it actually is. And finds it scary.

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Gallavich · 19/12/2016 08:05

Ithink that feminism is allowing people to have the choice to do things even if you wouldn't choose to do it yourself

That's the definition of liberal feminism, which is highly contested. I don't believe that women can make truly free choices under patriarchy so I don't agree that any choice a woman makes is a feminist one, nor that feminism is about making choices possible.
Have you ever heard the phrase 'the personal is political'? It's a key second wave feminist tenet. That's what I believe. That's why enjoying being slapped and called a cumslut is a harmful activity in a macro (as well as micro IMO) sense

Spottytop1 · 19/12/2016 07:57

Of course they can & have people forgotten it's not just men who are dominating and women the sub? It goes the other way too where men are dominated.

Many who comments have no real understanding of BDSM...

LittleBooInABox · 19/12/2016 07:50

Curious because I have heard it said, and heard these women called repressed because of there choice in relationships, I was curious as to people's thoughts of the choices.

Personally, I consider myself a feminist (kind of) and I think that feminism is allowing people to have the choice to do things even if you wouldn't choose to do it yourself.

I'm curious though how it's an in feminist act. It effects only the people in that relationship. Both parties get something out of it. So I don't feel it effects wider society as a whole, often people outside of the relationship don't know, that the power exchange is present.

Thank you for the link. I didn't realise there was a search feature, I'm on my phone. I shall have a look :)

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TheDowagerCuntess · 19/12/2016 04:06

Feminists engage in unfeminist activities all the time. Some of them deeply unfeminist.

You don't hand over your badge and teleport yourself to the 1950s just because you, say, wear make-up, take your husband's name, or get off on BDSM.

I personally think BDSM sounds horrifying, as yes, is deeply unfeminist, but I'm not going to say that someone who engages in it isn't a feminist, because it doesn't work like that.

FloraFox · 19/12/2016 03:44

BDSM is not feminist.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 18/12/2016 22:43

Maybe this thread should merge with the thread about why people get so defensive over feminist issues.

Gallavich · 18/12/2016 21:48

Sure, she can be a feminist, but only if she acknowledges that her fetish is deeply problematic in terms of interpersonal relationships between males and females and that it plays out toxic power dynamics which are mirrored in wider patriarchal society. If she thinks her kink is a feminist act because she's a woman so it must be or because it 'empowers' her to be slapped and called a cumslut then nah, she's not a feminist

DeviTheGaelet · 18/12/2016 21:42

We had a similar thread a while back
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2732222-BDSM-is-a-sexual-orientation-not-a-fetish

0phelia · 18/12/2016 21:06

Of course.
Giving yourself willingly because it's something that provides you with a meaningful pleasure and you've made conscious consent to it is different to having your power taken away unwillingly or being in danger. Of course you can be "feminist" within the context of bdsm. Plus "feminist" has different meaning to different people. There's no copy mold.

Why?

YoScienceBitch · 18/12/2016 19:35

Really?

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