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Sports and sex segregation

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Ennuid · 07/06/2015 17:15

The Roland Garros and the women's football WC this week reminded me again what I hate about sports : sex segregation. It simply reinforces the idea that men's sports are the real deal, while women's sports are a second-class. What we need to do it stop segregating boys and girls at young ages, just let them play in the same teams or events as they do before the teenage years. This way society won't see women as ''physically inferior'' and a sort of sub-par version of men. No team should be called the male or female this or that and not allowing the other sex to join, if good enough, should be illegal. Something similar happened in the US around the middle of the last century : black athletes were not allowed to compete against whites not only because of pure racism, but also because blacks were considered inferior athletes. The moment they were allowed to compete against whites was the moment they started taking over US sports and these days they almost completely dominate the most popular sports across the pond.

Women are not inferior, sub-par or a lesser version of men. They shouldn't be forced to compete in their own leagues and events. Sports are a huge part of our society and great for building confidence and teaching structure to young people. What kind of message do girls get so early in life when they are told that they should go play in a league of their own because boys are better? No wonder women grow up believing they can't go for a STEM degree or negotiate their salary ''like a man''!

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RufusTheReindeer · 07/06/2015 21:18

whirlpool

My dd watches Dance Moms (about childrens competitive dancing) and it's mentioned many times on there, that because there are so few boys they tend to be awarded more prizes to encourage more boys to take part

Obviously no idea if that's true

YonicScrewdriver · 07/06/2015 21:15

Yy to that TBR.

Whirlpool, it's just timey wimey stuff Tardis

RufusTheReindeer · 07/06/2015 21:15

whirlpool

Watching the last episode of The flash, which is all times whimsy, while mumsnetting....so I'm very confused

I may well have fallen through a wormhole into a parallel universe

WhirlpoolGalaxyM51 · 07/06/2015 21:12

Katymac interesting point. About the dancing.

Where males thumb their noses at gender role - due to having the passion, drive and sheer bloody mindedness to do so - they often end up lauded and rewarded above then women. Thinking about chefs and things a bit now, hairdressers.

Not alluding to the prog there - I didn't see it and it's perfectly possible that in this competition 6 of the top 7 happened to be boys. I'm just thinking in general, well this happens a lot, doesn't it. Basically whenever men decide to do something they get put at the top even when they are in a huge minority of people doing it.

The OPs explanation would be that this is because women are inferior.

I think there is another explanation, but in order to follow it you need to accept some basic things about society and conformity and so on which of course many people are unwilling to do.

TheBlackRider · 07/06/2015 21:09

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WhirlpoolGalaxyM51 · 07/06/2015 21:05

I find this happens sometimes on here.

I prefer to imagine it's to do with some kind of sci-fi style time vortex / clones, androids or doppelgangers / parallel universe crossover than the more mundane reason that springs to mind Grin

TheBlackRider · 07/06/2015 21:04

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Katymac · 07/06/2015 21:04

I was very disappointed that the BBC Young Dancer of the Year finals had 6 boys & one girl

But the difference of strength in dance between the sexes even during the teen years

RufusTheReindeer · 07/06/2015 21:00

whirlpool

Eerie isn't it Grin

And the same comments re Andy Murrey's top 1000 quote

YonicScrewdriver · 07/06/2015 20:56
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YonicScrewdriver · 07/06/2015 20:44

Here it is...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2353414-The-boat-race-and-equality

TheBlackRider · 07/06/2015 20:41

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WhirlpoolGalaxyM51 · 07/06/2015 20:40

Rufus yes that was the thread I was thinking of! It was extraordinarily similar wasn't it.

WhirlpoolGalaxyM51 · 07/06/2015 20:39

Thing is then what for women who would be great in a position that is not open to her? She won't see role models doing it / won't be allowed to do it / will be encouraged to look elsewhere etc. You're back to square one.

TheBlackRider · 07/06/2015 20:38

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RufusTheReindeer · 07/06/2015 20:38

This thread sounds a bit like the Oxford/Cambridge rowing one

Womans sports would just disappear from view if women had to compete against men all the time, boys at primary schools seem to dominate football when you would think that the physical differences would not be so apparent

That might just be football though Hmm

thedancingbear · 07/06/2015 20:37

will those roles be respected if women are always put into them to fulfil a minimum quota

It depends if they are any good or not. I absolutely maintain that a woman could do what Alastair Cook or Shane Warne does/has done. Arguably the best wicketkeeper in England at the moment is female.

TheBlackRider · 07/06/2015 20:36

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WhirlpoolGalaxyM51 · 07/06/2015 20:35

I think it goes

  1. "Blacks"
  2. Men

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8,375. Birds

Or something.

YonicScrewdriver · 07/06/2015 20:34

Yes that is a good point.

OP, is your name Franglais for "bored" or "boredom"?

thedancingbear · 07/06/2015 20:34

Yep, fair points blackrider, I just thought the idea was worth exploring. Of course if you accept that women could compete in other positions then it's arguably a different discussion. This is probably hopelessly out on a limb but something that would make cricket less physical and more technical would be restricting batsmen to more traditional bats with a smaller sweet spot and thus rewarded timing more and brute strength less. As a cricket fan, I find the sight of a muscle bound slogger mishitting the ball for six depressing

TheBlackRider · 07/06/2015 20:33

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YonicScrewdriver · 07/06/2015 20:33

Got it Smile

I think a mixed cricket/football/volleyball team would be a third sport, tbh, like mixed doubles in tennis.