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Feminist Pub XVIII, in which the Bluestocking greets the first signs of spring with a glass of something soothing

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PuffinsAreFictitious · 16/03/2015 23:08

Just starting this one as the last is nearly full

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SoMuchForSubtlety · 18/03/2015 09:52

Oh I didn't mean that emotional interpretation issues all stem from lonely childhoods, sorry Blush
Just for me I mean. I think there might be multiple causal factors in my case.

The negativity thing is interesting. I have read about "meta programs" ie different ways of thinking (pop rather than proper psychology I suspect). One is "towards" and "away" people, essentially about how people plan - towards people need to focus on the positive end state, away people need to focus on all the things that might stop them. Generally each thinks the other is going about things in a puzzling and incorrect way.

Not sure if that's relevant either Smile

BuffyEpistemiwhatsit · 18/03/2015 09:42

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SoMuchForSubtlety · 18/03/2015 09:31

nothing about social life and interpersonal interaction seems 'natural' or instinctive to me

This struck a chord. I have always been rather rubbish at picking up social cues and find strong emotions in others very distressing, all of this led to bullying at school and challenges at work if I'm in a new situation.

I've always put it down to inadequate socialisation as a child since we moved a lot and I was alone a lot (same as for puppies!) but I suppose my brain might not "do" emotional reading very well? My mum is the same, she really doesn't get on with the world very well. But then maybe I've just learned from her?

BuffyEpistemiwhatsit · 18/03/2015 09:22

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BeyondDoesBootcamp · 18/03/2015 09:12

I'm nowhere near as uber qualified as you buffy, but inevitabley i do drop something above everyday knowledge into my appts (im a 3rd year human bio student, but there are psych modules in my degree) and as soon as i mention whatever it is, their backs go up.

Of course, because of my physical health problems and the 28 years it took to diagnose my eds, along with the trouble i had with the gynae claiming there was nothing wrong with me (although re-referral then diagnosed problems as severe...), i get rather paranoid about all health professionals! oh and not to forget the community psych who told me all of my problems were pnd. Trouble with referral coming through shortly after squeezing a baby out Hmm never mind the depression and anxiety i had for at least 10 years before my first child!

GibberingFlapdoodle · 18/03/2015 09:09

So that performativity stuff basically sounds like how cultures are constructed. Does that make sense?

As far as applications to markets are concerned, I thought it was common knowledge that markets are all about confidence. Or as I've always thought of it, 'economics' has 'con' in the middle.

ErrolTheDragon · 18/03/2015 09:00

Thanks Buffy - I think I got what you meant.

EBearhug · 18/03/2015 08:23

Thank you for explaining.

Today, I will mostly be performing diligent and dutiful employee. Possibly. It's going to be a strain for my 10am meeting, which is a videoconf, so I shall have to develop some level of poker face and no silently swearing, as is more usual with these particular participants, for whom I have little time. Had a bit of an outburst when said meeting was initially planned; they are people who make me think quite a bit about equality will be achieved when incompetent women are promoted in the same way as incompetent men and how who you are counts more than how capable you are. Please can you all send be vibes of professionalism and serenity for that hour...

BuffyEpistemiwhatsit · 18/03/2015 07:43

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MsDragons · 17/03/2015 22:47

Hello. Lovely new pub, I like the yellow walls.

I'm just going to gibber in the corner and pet the goat after a trying day at work, where one of my pupils informed me that I'm a fucking bitch. Hey ho, at least i won't have to deal with that particular boy for the rest of the week now he's been excluded. Such fun.

SoMuchForSubtlety · 17/03/2015 22:44

Women are also socialised not to say what they really think/feel, unless they're in a "safe" space and are sure no one will be harmed by the disclosure (ie very rarely). I imagine if you're on the spectrum that contributes to appearing NT.

WhatWouldFreddieDo · 17/03/2015 22:29

Lovely new spring pub. Whisky mac for me -- it might be spring but we've been sitting in feckin haar all day and it feels like January all over again.

TheBlackRider · 17/03/2015 22:28

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UptoapointLordCopper · 17/03/2015 22:25

yonic Have you been name changing?

I am so confused!

YonicScrewdriver · 17/03/2015 22:14

I don't know any epistemiwhatsit, but I think it means 'acting the part'; because women are more socialised generally to display empathetic traits etc, it may be easier for women with ASD type conditions to 'perform' NT behaviour than it is for a man with the same severity of the condition.

ErrolTheDragon · 17/03/2015 22:03

Evening all!

Performativity? I bet it's one of those things not amenable to 'brief explanation' (but will be glad if someone can prove me wrong).

EBearhug · 17/03/2015 21:41

Buffy, I am not a psychologist, but I would like a brief explanation of what theories of performativity might be.

YonicScrewdriver · 17/03/2015 21:40
Tardis

Lo, I have returned from my journey across time and space. Well, across half a century and the other side of London, anyway.

UptoapointLordCopper · 17/03/2015 21:38

Smile Doctor. Hope it goes well.

AKnickerfulOfMenace · 17/03/2015 21:31

That's good, Doctor

PuffinsAreFictitious · 17/03/2015 21:05

I really do need to do this degree and the post grad stuff quickly, don't I?

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kickassangel · 17/03/2015 21:01

Gibbering, re men in power. I think it's a bit of certain types of men being drawn to power, at least the ones who seek power as one of their goals rather than being there for the food of others. Then, when in power they have so many yes men around them that they can start to flex their privilege. Then there's an unspoken endorsement of the behavior so the next generation of power seekers colludes and so it goes on.

BuffyEpistemiwhatsit · 17/03/2015 20:54

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DoctorTwo · 17/03/2015 20:40

It looks like my contract is being extended, which is a relief as I loathe looking for new jobs.

OublietteBravo · 17/03/2015 19:22

Oooooh - there is a new Star emoticon thingy.

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