This is fucking disgraceful (Daily Mail)

Yes, rootypig, I am resigned to the fact these things aren't called what they should be. And I am even perpetually interested in the lengths "we" seem to go to to not name them for what they are.

one-time bullying episode

Put 'sustained' instead of 'one-time'.

Lumpy - where have I EVER said I 'blame all girls'. Please show me.

This is the thread in the Feminism section. I found it very helpful.

I don't know about any of you, but I was actually quite traumatised by this. I realised that I damped down the trauma (we have to, I think) but I found reading the thread was good for acknowledging the fact of woman-hate being out there, in the world, whilst simultaneously shoring me up so that I can get out there, and get on with things.

I'm old enough to remember the Toronto shootings, too.

But the thing about stuff like this is that it always brings back the attacks I was subject to as a young woman simply because I was a woman, and a group of men just wanted to attack a woman, any woman because she was a woman, and they were angry.

Anyway, poor girl. The Daily Mail may tell themselves they are just reporting, but there is a point where you are not just reproducing but actually perpetuating. This is perpetuating. And i can't help but feel that some of her future has been stolen from her now.

The huge problem roootypig is that so many women are complicit in the spread of misogyny.

If you read his 'manifesto' it wasn't just that he wanted any woman to sleep with him - he only wanted beautiful, thin, white, blonde women. So presumably if a more ordinary looking girl or a non white one had shown interest in him he wouldn't have wanted to know anyhow.

Just one detail, that is not being discussed in the mainstream press. He talked about setting up concentration camps for women, where they would only be allowed to live in order to breed.

This isn't someone who had a nasty girlfriend in his past.

I'm NOT taking his side Ryvita - I'm just saying how these things can happen.

she deserves every fucking nasty thing that happens to her.

Your attitude is how things happen, spittin. You need some help to manage your feelings about this.

spittinfevvers, there's a thread in the Feminism section that discusses, in part, what might have caused this man to hate women.

I'll give you my tuppence-worth:

Quite often, it really isn't anything any particular woman has done. In the past, quite often, where there was no wife or girlfriend to blame, the mother was blamed: she was too cold, too smothering, too dominant; too weak. I would say that this was just more - institutional - woman-blaming.

This chap, again, very helpfully, left us a list of reasons. In the main, he said, it was because women wouldn't sleep with him.

Interestingly, that does fit in with a lot of feminist theory (which I believe, actually): men have a deep-rooted belief that they are entitled to a woman to sleep with, to cherish them, to look up to thim, to give them lots of attention. And lots of men are enraged when this doesn't happen for them.

As an aside: My brother in law is like this, actually - to a tee. Seriously. He's charming and nice but ... there is a huge rage in him. He earns 60K and he doesn't have a little wife. He's angry. So, it isn't just men out there that think like this. It really can be the man next to you.

That's just one reason for the hate. There are other suggestions.

So because one girl was a bitch to your son Spitten you now blame all girls?

Spitting
Do you think that a one-time bullying episode would so warp someone that they would commit such crime? Lots of children are bullied. If this was the consequence, we'd see a lot more mass killings.

There is a good collection of blogs here, that give a bit of background and explanation. You should read some of them.

The Mail haven't blamed women though - the killer did.

Mentioned and now her body plastered all over the press, all the papers who do this are beyond the pale.

I'm NOT taking his side Ryvita - I'm just saying how these things can happen.

If you've ever tried to stop an autistic teenager from flattening someone, you'd know where I was coming from.

And DID he have NPD? Who has diagnosed him?

spittin, you said your son managed, with your help, to build up resilience, and, I assume, get over it.

You got the police involved.

The woman moved away.

So why are you still so angry that you are threatening to do something awful to her if you find out where she lives?

Every news organisation under the sun could be in touch with her for a "comment", it wouldn't make it right. The pressure she must be under right now must be intolerable and none of this is her fault. Her name was menti

Basically Spitting, unless your son has Narcissistic Personality Disorder like that guy clearly had, then it's bizarre to leap in and take his 'side' in any way.

This is why I think this is a hate crime:

I think it invites people to project. I don't know this young woman at all, and I project my feelings of fear onto her, carried over from times when I have been physically attacked for being a woman. I fear for her. I really do.

Other people may feel encouraged to project feelings of rage, gathered from experiences (real of imagined) of being rejected, hurt, belittled by (real or imagined) women.

I would say that such public "putting in the stocks" really does invite people to actually act out their revenge fantasies - though obviously a lot of people will just keep it to verbal musings.

This is what the killer had in mind when he named her. The Daily Mail is not so naive that they don't know this is the end result. Would the editor allow this to be done to a daughter of his? Probably not.

It's horrible. I really do think it's a hate crime.

Typical misogynistic angle from the DM.

Appalling that they printed photos of her - even blurred.

Of course no-one worth listening to is going to blame her, but it's still horrible for her to be linked in any way.

Who knows Nancy66, but you can always rely in the Mail to find a woman to blame for most things in life.

porn?
entitlement?

lots of men don't need a reason to hate women! you think misogyny is RARE?

But WHY did he hate women? That's why I joined in - to show you HOW it can happen

Spitting, do you think your son is as entitled as Elliot? Do you think he thinks he is owed blondes? Does he lead a privileged life and yet feel hard done by?

NO idea why you're identify with him, and it's sad because it shows that there will be people reading the DM article and they will think 'ah, a woman's fault, knew it'.

Spitting
I am sure all of us feel empathy towards your son, and towards you, for the suffering this girls brought to you both. I don't think this is at all equivalent to the situation described.

I don't know if you've been following the story beyond the basic facts in the mainstream media, but the man posted on misogynistic websites, and spewed hatred of women in many blog posts and videos that he posted.

So don't any of you slate me because I can see things also from the other side.

I don't think anyone is belittling your son's experience, spittin.

What people are objecting to is you posting this information on a thread about 7 people dying because a young man hated women.

You need to start your own thread before you really upset someone.