Really? we think that "that organisation" are representative of fathers in general? really?

And tell me what campaigns egalitarianism or equalism has fought and won. What fights did they take on? What victories did they win? What are they fighting for now? How can anyone join?

Firstly, denying the existence of misandry doesn't ignore the real problems men face.

Those real problems are caused by patriarchy, not by non-existent misandry.

Tell me where women are subjecting men to rape, sexual assault, violence, lower pay, unequal representation in politics, society and the law at the same rate that men are doing so to women, SF and I'll agree that it exists.

Until then, it's just a whiny men's way of whinging that nowadays, sometimes women escape from male control and the state supports them to do that.

Misandry exists. Caring only about the rights and needs of women whilst excluding the real problems that men face is misandrist. To say that misandry doesn't exist is misandrist.

I guess the closest 'ism' I belong to is egalitarianism or equalism, but I don't really define myself as anything.

Johnde, you are wasting your time here. There's none so blind as those that cannot see.

Oh and it's not good enough to come back with figures about men being murdered raped and assaulted by other men.

They'd have to be suffering this at the hands of women, for misandry to be as real as misogyny.

And it ain't ever gonna happen, because women simply don't inflict the violence on men, that men inflict on women. They never have done and they never will do.

To pretend that misandry exists in the same way as misogyny, is to be a MRA.

When men are being raped, sexually assaulted, attacked and murdered in the same numbers as women, when they are being blamed for their own assaults as women are, when they are systematically earning less than women purely because they have penises, when they have less leisure time than women purely because they are men, when they are being under-reprsented in the media, politics, finance, business, sport, culture - all areas of life - then come back and talk about misandry.

Until then, if you claim misandry is the same as misogyny, nobody intelligent will have any respect for your arguments.

No, the worst kind of discrimination is the worst kind of discrimination

... the oppression of women, slavery, racism - that kind of thing.

AA - Perhaps the worst kind of discrimination is that which denies its own existence. To deny misandry's existence fits very neatly with the woman good/man bad paradigm.

BTW do you know what the stats are for men murdered by their partner/ex?

Misandry was a word invented by whiny men in order to try and pretend that misogyny is just a different POV, equalled by this new invention of misandry, instead of a millenia-old, systemic hatred of women, backed up by legal, economic and social norms.

There is no time in history, when men have been systematically persecuted and oppressed purely and simply because they are men. They have not been systematically "othered" purely and simply because they are men. There have not been laws made to prevent them functioning fully in the society into which they were born, purely and simply because they were men. All this has happened to women and it is called misogyny. Misandry OTOH, is just a way a whiny man complains that he hasn't got his own way with a woman for once.

HTH

Misandry doesn't exist. HTH.

'Misandry ( /mɪˈsændri/) is the hatred or dislike of men or boys. The word is of some history but did not appear in most dictionaries until the second half of the 20th century' - Wikipedia.

'In the past quarter century, we exposed biases against other races and called it racism, and we exposed biases against women and called it sexism. Biases against men we call humor.'
?Warren Farrell, Women Can't Hear What Men Don't Say

'In contrast, men experiencing any form of partner abuse were more likely to have experienced having something thrown at them since the age of 16 than women (57% males; 46% females).'

Yes, but again this refers to incidents since the age of 16, and so does not take into account the changing pattern of DV. The figures for abuse in the past 12 months show a very different pattern.

'totally disingenuous to compare the two and conclude women are as violent as men'

I am not doing that, and have made that clear several times. What I am saying is that the usual public portrayal of gender differences in DV is misandrist rubbish that represents, perpetuates and promotes a polarised view of the issue which hinders, rather than helps, address the causes of DV.

I am not sure why some people are arguing women are as bad as men. It simply isn't the case. In the US one woman is killed by a partner every 2 hrs. In this country it is 2 women a week. Men have been using violence to suppress women (and other men) for millenia. The reverse is not true.

Abuse is systematic. Often in the relationship threads a punch etc hasn't come in isolation. There has been verbal/emotional abuse before. The punch is an escalation of abuse. There is no remorse by the perpetrator and they blame the victim.

And, btw, why does it have to be "repeated" behavior, when a one-off is good enough to ditch a man? ( See many threads in Relationships)

SGB, I totally respect your opinion, and generally agree with it, but he never has, and never would, rape, strangle etc his ex. Why should his behavior be judged in the light of those who would?

Well, yeah, repeated throwing of stuff at a person is abusive, just like repeated name-calling and lying and belittling is abusive. But most male victims of DV from female partners are not repeatedly raped, strangled or pinned down and unable to escape, the level of violence and risk of injury is generally, statistically higher with male-on-female violence.

Agree that F4J are a waste of space, though.

Kinda depend on the object thrown. A knife, a coffee/tea mug (with or without hot contents), a boiling kettle, a coffee table... My DS had these thrown at him. He doesn't define it as DV because he's bigger than her, I feel differently.

and yes an object thrown across the room by someone smaller and weaker than you doesn't really strike me as being too threatening. if you want to get away you can.

being held down or against a wall and hit, strangled, raped etc by someone bigger and stronger than you who you cannot get away from is rather different.

totally disingenuous to compare the two and conclude women are as violent as men.

john you do realise there is no such word as misandrist? i'm afraid it'll be a full house shortly.

Yes. I selected the original facts because the survey includes people of all ages therefore 'since the age of 16' might mean 40 or 50 years ago. I strongly suspect that the gender pattern of abuse has changed significantly over the years. As with all stats there are various ways one can select particular figures to support one or other view. I thought I did try to make that clear in my post with the reference to figures for 'serious bruising'.

I don't deny that women are more badly affected on average but it still does not detract from the main point that the usual spoutings from politicians are oversimplistic and flagrantly misandrist.

Slightly selective facts there Johnde. From the same survey (the sentence immediately before it in fact), comes:

In the majority of cases, where partner abuse was experienced since the age of 16, the gender of any abusive partner was male (60%) compared with 38% where the gender of the abusive partner was female. Two per cent did not wish to answer this question.

I've just looked at the 2008/2009 and the 2010/2011 report. There are interesting variations on the nature of abuse according to gender, but the consensus on both reports is that women are more badly affected.

Can confirm that the Scottish survey is specifically about domestic violence, my husband conducted some of those interviews.