I will hang up my feminist beret when...

Oh I absolutely hate it when women are described as busty blonde mother of three etc in the media. Really pisses me off.

Yep, ClimberChick you took the words right out of my keyboard

oh yes and agree with ClimberChick about equal paternity rights.

when I hear men in their 20s and 30s discussing how they are going to juggle work and childcare

when I see equal numbers of men changing their name on marriage as women (or neither person changing their name)

when men are expected to remove their body hair, decorate their faces, and wear impractical shoes in order to be attractive (or, preferably, when women are not expected to do so)

when nobody ever, ever uses the words "women/men are just naturally better at [insert skill here] than men/women"

for starters...

When parents stop putting their toddler-aged daughers in "pageants" where they learn that beauty is the main criteria on which a girl/woman is judged.

I agree with you ClimberChick (sorry, still on the diversion). Men should have equal parental rights and responsibilities, and if that means that some women will lose custody in the case of a split, then that is the price I think we have to pay for equality. It shouldn't be "i'm the woman, I automatically get the children" but rather should be based on what is best for the children and the family as a whole.

When there are no longer any reports on things like this kidnapped brides, because it doesn't happen any more

When a woman F1 driver climbs the steps to the podium and on each step is standing a good looking young man wearing a tight teeshirt with 'Vodafone' or similar across his chest!

This would be the exact reverse of a situation I saw a few races back.

It was me who caused the thread to digress not you and it is a contentious topic. I don't want to put you off

Yes it's a big topic ClimberChik, This isn't the thread for it. You do sound cut out for posting on feminist threads though!!

hmmmm, obv I think women should have more pregnancy related rights.

but just because there will be downsides, is not a reason for something (with great power and all that). What about the fact that many women end up being SAHM because it's only them that realistically can. Doesn't this leave more women financially vulnerable and cause them to remain in unhealthy relationships. Anyway severe digression OP, not sure I'm cut out for posting on feminist threads just yet.

Also very much agree with posters stances on articles that describe that a woman's marital status, kids and short description of their hair. Really hate it when they do this.

I've argued on here before ClimberChick that equal paternity rights for men might not work out well for women.
I can see it being used against women.

Some men will always leave women in the lurch as single mothers like they've always done.
And in other cases, it will most definitely be used in favour of men in court (it doesn't take much for a man to be regarded as a hero father, but anything a woman does- work, mental illness, poverty etc, is always used against her)

Just a little contentious that one.

when men have the same paternity rights (employment benefits, leave etc.) as women.

Yes, but it is ironic when somebody who is equalities minister is clearly not up to the job. If you had a brilliant woman in that position it might upset some apple carts.

I'm adding - when romantic novels are no longer dismissed as chicklit (while badly written detective stories are considered just fine).

Sadly, until threads like this actually get people thinking/contributing none of the things we are flagging here are likely to happen.

Ooh, yes, okay - I get it now. It's not hoovering per se that's the issue, it's the appropriateness and irrelevance of hooverig in the context of something else?

I had never thought of that, but agree completely. It's a very good point.

I'm not talking about what men do, I'm talking about what we do. I love recipes! and I am partially interested in hoovering, but not right in the middle of a cracking debate about the value of women in the workplace and how work impacts childhood development (for example).

We are only as good as our collective selves.

Ah yes, it always gets to me when they publish an article about a woman and go "Blah, mother of three", but never do it for men - on two levels. 1. A woman is not necessarily just a wife or mother and 2. erm, men are parents as well, why don't they ever say "Bob, father of three".

When men no longer think it's appropriate to sit and discuss (in public - see my previous thread) about what birds they banged, going to strip clubs and what not.

When either all men in music videos start prancing about in tiny underwear/swimwear or women can appear in a music video dressed normally.

When men no longer feel that it is appropriate for them to dictate what women wear and how they appear in public.

Actually drymartini, I kind of disagree on that one. Have you heard how mindlessly men talk a lot of the time? . I have no issue with people being mindless, but I resent it if my desire to talk about recipes is seen as less valid than DH's talk about football.

When the discussion streams on Mumsnet stop descending into mindless debates about how often some people hoover their carpets, or exactly how many items to put in a party bag.

Posts on the working mums survey recently were really quite harrowing.

Keep it high brow.

When people, starting with friends and family, do not tell me I should be MrsDH instead of MsBlingLovin' and when my choices about how I choose to work, live, play, and name myself are respected in the same way that DH's are.

And I think DH would add, "when it is not assumed that the man will be the main breadwinner and that its okay to make jokes about wives being let loose with DHs credit cards"