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NEW Dickensalong - Martin Chuzzlewit 2024-2025

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Piggywaspushed · 20/07/2024 11:29

Come along and join me in the next Dickens readalong.

We have chosen Martin Chuzzlewit which was originally published by Dickens in 19 instalments, all exactly 32 pages long!

I propose condensing this to an eight month read, using Dickens' shorter sections as a guide (this is one fewer than NN). We begin in August, as follows:

August - Chapters 1 - 8
September - Chapters 9-15
October - Chapters 16-23
November - Chapters 24-29
December - Chapters 30-35
January 2025 - Chapters 36-41
February - Chapters 42-47
and finishing in
March 2025 - Chapters 48 - end

This on its publication history is interesting:

The early monthly numbers were not as successful as Dickens's previous work and sold about 20,000 copies each, as compared to 40,000 to 50,000 for the monthly numbers of the Pickwick Papers and Nicholas Nickleby, and 60,000 to 70,000 for the weekly issues of The Old Curiosity Shop. The lack of success of the novel caused a rift between Dickens and his publishers when they invoked a penalty clause in his contract requiring him to pay back money they had lent him to cover their costs.
Dickens responded to the disappointing early sales of the monthly parts compared to sales of previous works as monthly instalments; he changed the plot to send the title character to the United States. This allowed the author to portray the United States, which he had visited in 1842, satirically, as a near-wilderness with pockets of civilisation filled with deceitful and self-promoting hucksters.
Dickens's satire of American modes and manners in the novel won him no friends on the other side of the Atlantic, where the instalments containing the offending chapters were greeted with a "frenzy of wrath". As a consequence Dickens received abusive mail and newspaper clippings from the United States

Summoning old faithfuls and newcomers, one and all!

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cassandre · 17/04/2025 21:27

Thanks @Piggywaspushed ! Interesting point about the 'hellfire vernacular' (great term).

And interesting too to hear that the 'angel man' trope isn't so rare in Dickens. You would know better than I would since I've only read a few Dickens novels as an adult (and the ones I read when I was young I recollect only very hazily).

Going over to the Dombey thread now.

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Piggywaspushed · 17/04/2025 06:41

Great summaries and thoughts cassandre. I noticed, but forgot to comment upon, the change of register at the denouement. Mostly, I noticed the righteous Biblical language of MC Senior (not to be confused with Hammer, obviously...) who suddenly starting loing and yeing and bringing wrath on heads. It was all very melodramatic.

There was a previous novel where a character slipped into this kind of hellfire vernacular but I can't remember which - Little Dorritt seems most likely. Occasionally Dickens himself does it to- in a kind of preacherly voice.

I'm not sure that the man angle is as rare as all that : Smike springs to mind and also the old boy in TOCS. My memory is awful but the one in the church at the end? Doesn't he literally die on a grave? Or is that in Little Dorritt? Honestly, all these Dickens I have read and I can't remember one form the other!

Now you come to mention it, nothing does come of Tom Pinch's musical gift! I always think it seems unlikely that he is an organ virtuouso.

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cassandre · 16/04/2025 22:02

An interesting point that Ingham made though was about how Jonas gradually emerges as an increasingly complex character, torn by imagination and guilt (like MacBeth). Before the murder, he speaks much more in colloquial language and dialect, but after the murder, he becomes a more serious character who speaks in much more high-register speech, which dignifies his plight. I hadn't noticed that.

About the ending, I was less than impressed by MC Senior. He's a bit of a Lear figure, trying to arrange everyone's destinies for them. So he was cross with Mary and young Martin because HE wanted to be the one to bring them together. And at the end, he repents of his selfishness. But how much is he really repenting, given that he's still orchestrated this dramatic scene of revelation at the end? He's still loving the sense of power if you ask me.

Anyway, it's good to have got these thoughts off my chest, albeit very belatedly. Phew. Looking forward to joining you all in the realm of Dombey! (raises a virtual glass to say cheers, and special thanks as always to @Piggywaspushed !).

cassandre · 16/04/2025 21:55

I'm also keen to read Dombey and Son!

Very belated thanks to everyone for their closing thoughts on MC. I'm very annoyed with myself because I meant to join the convo two weeks ago, but instead am chiming in ridiculously late once again. (My anxiety has been sky-high for the past few weeks, and has stopped me doing lots of things I wanted to do, but my head has finally calmed down a bit now thanks to the fact that I've finally managed to submit a very very late work project. Sigh. ADHD and lengthy work projects are not a happy combination.)

Anyway, I agree with everyone else that MC had rather too large a cast of characters and was too patchwork-like, but it was a great read nonetheless.

@inaptonym I love that detail about Mrs Gamp being played by men in drag! A bit like the British panto tradition, which emphatically doesn't exist in the US.

@Piggywaspushed I'm not a huge fan of videos (always prefer written text over spoken), but I watched Katie's first 10-minute one and I'm glad I did. I really liked her point about how Tom Pinch is unusual in that he plays a kind of 'male angel' role usually reserved by Dickens for women. It's refreshing to see a different model of masculinity that's not so alpha-male.

Also, I read the intro to my Penguin edition of MC (I think it's the same one you have, @FuzzyCaoraDhubh , because it has the long appendix on Mrs Gamp's dialect), and the editor Patricia Ingham is very hard on Tom Pinch. She argues that the 'good' characters in the novel have very little agency, as opposed to the selfish ones:
It is true that the selfless survive in the persons of Tom and Ruth Pinch, Mary Graham and Mark Tapley. But all are neutered as forces for good. Their passivity and mild stoicism leave them no capacity to exert an influence on others let alone on events. Everywhere their own selflessness blinds them to the truth so that it appears as a form of stupidity. This is particularly true of Tom Pinch, a supposed moral balance in the overall picture. His gullibility has a Uriah-Heep-like quality. His elderly appearance is against him. Even his musicianship looks like the occasion for a series of obscene puns suggesting sexual impotence.

!!!

I thought this view of Tom was overly harsh, so was glad to see him getting some love from Katie. Tom does have the balls to leave Pecksniff, so he's not completely blind and gullible. And comparing him to Uriah Heep is completely unwarranted FFS!

The Ruth/Tom/John Westlock menage a trois does remind me a bit of the Kate/Nicholas/Smike trio in Nicholas Nickleby, though Tom's connection to John is a bit less passionate than Smike's connection to Nicholas. There does seem to be something 'queer' about it IMO, or at the very least something that defies traditional gender norms. Tom Pinch is more transgressive as a character than Ingham's analysis implies, dammit.

Piggywaspushed · 16/04/2025 08:29

It sounds like a lesser known Showaddywaddy number .

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 16/04/2025 08:27

Excellent, Piggy! Thank you!
Dombeyalong 😅

Piggywaspushed · 16/04/2025 07:30

Keep an eye out over the next couple of days for the Dombeyalong and get your copies ready !

I will link to the thread when I have planned the instalments!

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LiesDoNotBecomeUs · 12/04/2025 17:55

I really didn't get on with Martin C. (It did arrive at a suddenly tough time here)

However, I really loved Dombey and Son when I read it (c40 years ago). It was my first Dickens novel but I remember little about it -except the feeling it left me with.

(I'd read Christmas Carol - seen the musical Oliver - and the film of Great Expectations so wasn't exactly ready for a full-scale 19C novel.)

Piggywaspushed · 05/04/2025 15:28

Just got my copy in the post. It's a hefty tome!

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LadybirdDaphne · 04/04/2025 00:45

Hehe

NEW Dickensalong - Martin Chuzzlewit 2024-2025
Piggywaspushed · 03/04/2025 20:29

Well, no longer just you...

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LadybirdDaphne · 03/04/2025 20:10

I watched Katie’s introduction to Dombey last night, she says it is her second favourite Dickens (after Our Mutual Friend) so hopefully it will be good.

Although I’ll be glad when my brain stops singing ‘Dombey, Dombey and Sons’ a la Joseph and His Amazing Technicolour Dreamcoat at me. (Just me?)

BadSpellaSpellaSpella · 03/04/2025 14:35

Yep Domby is one i haven't read yet, although I'm worried I've read all the 'good ones' and it's all downhill from here

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 02/04/2025 16:50

Yes please, Piggy! ⭐️

Piggywaspushed · 02/04/2025 15:13

Okeydokey.

I reckon our first month for that will be May.

I shall procure a copy and we can go from there.

Presume I am in charge because I seem unable to release myself from this huge responsibility! Wink

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LadybirdDaphne · 02/04/2025 07:20

Happy to go with the Dombey consensus!

ChessieFL · 02/04/2025 05:47

Happy to go with Dombey & Son as that’s another one I haven’t read before.

inaptonym · 01/04/2025 22:25

Yes please D&S! (ME Braddon's The Doctor's Wife has been mouldering on my TBR for over about 20 years because apparently it's full of refs to/spoilers for D&S)

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 01/04/2025 21:52

Dombey and Son sounds good!

Piggywaspushed · 01/04/2025 21:22

Re the next read - the only big Dickens we/I haven't done s Dombey and Son which I know little about.

Open to suggestions!

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 01/04/2025 21:01

There are always brilliant moments in his books and I enjoy his colourful use of language and the vivid characters even if I don't particularly love the book in question.
I think I would give this one a 3/5.

LadybirdDaphne · 01/04/2025 20:34

I actually quite liked it in the end, I thought it was well-plotted with all the strands pulled together in the big ensemble scene where Old Martin outlines Mr Pecksniff’s skulduggery from start to finish. (We’ll forget the American Interlude which was shoved in to raise sales when they didn’t reach the numbers expected.) Also clever was the way the Mrs Harris joke (spoiler: she doesn’t exist) was built up throughout for Betsy Prigg to decisively burst Mrs Gamp’s bubble near the end.

Tom Pinch is alright if you like that sort of thing. I preferred Mark Tapley - less perfect, but more jolly.

Any thoughts on next read? Too soon?

ChessieFL · 01/04/2025 18:28

I have enjoyed this, because it’s Dickens and it’s always enjoyable reading his language and the characters he creates, but this one felt more bitty than the others I’ve read - more like a series of scenes than a coherent plot.

I had also assumed it was named for MC Jnr and wondered why but thinking of it being named for both makes sense.

Talking of Dickens’ language I was very taken in the final chapters by the descriptions of ‘a monstrously excited little man in velveteen shorts and a very tall hat’ and a ‘hairy young gentleman with the outline of a face’. What lovely images these conjure up!

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 01/04/2025 15:23

Mrs Gamp has an Appendix to herself in the edition I have.
I'm projecting my annoyance though.
I made that bit up!