My sister has been hurting her son

Why on earth do they want him back when they clearly hate the poor little guy?

Was just going to ask, are you are able to speak to your nephew on the phone, OP. That's really good to hear.

As I stated, correctly, they need to be punished. And they need to go to prison.

I did misunderstand that you do not have to be remanded into custody to go to prison.

However, the person I was replying to made the usual insipid comment about prison population numbers. And my response, as you know, was mainly about that.

I am sick to death, beyond sick to death, of hearing about overcrowded jails and prison population numbers. Every single one of us should be demanding that we quadruple the number of prisons. We need them. They provide jobs, remove filth from the streets and allow justice to be served. Small towns absolutely love it when prisons are built nearby, correctional officers and their families bring money and the prison brings employment.

And yes, these two abusive fucks should obviously be remanded into custody, should be dragged off, handcuffed, in front of their employers, their neighbours, their friends. Because they deserve every stressful moment along the path to prison, and it matters that they are humiliated, and it matters that they receive every ounce of punishment possible all along the way.

And the excuse that prisons are just too full is not an acceptable one and should never be trotted out. Instead what we need to be saying every single time is "They should be remanded in custody and then they should serve time in prison, and to make sure of that we need more prisons. Build more prisons".

But whether they are remanded into custody or not they should of course serve prison time - although they probably won't - because justice actually matters. And it matters that it should be seen to happen too.

Speaking the truth matters.

So why does this case meet the threshold for remand? The accused pose a risk to their own child who is now not in their care and bail conditions can prohibit contact, there can also be electronically monitored exclusion zones and curfews applied. What additional risk does remand prevent that bail can't in this case?

Don't patronise me. I know exactly what remand is, where have I mentioned the word punishment? One of my close friends is a criminal barrister, and in fact remand can be applied where there is a clear and present danger to the victim or there is a high chance of intefering with witnesses. Which there clearly is here from everything the OP has said.

Stop patronising people on this thread, they know the difference between custodial and remand.

Yes this is what I don't understand. If a teacher saw this, surely other people have?!

I have a DC and commitments in my life but if it were me I'd be uprooting my life to make sure she never sees him again.

I mean, what if they get found not guilty?? Or if they do but don't get custodial sentences and still have visitation rights. I personally wouldn't be able to live with myself knowing I hadnt tried everything humanly possible.

Again you've misunderstood. The PP was talking about remand as opposed to bail, not custodial sentence

You don't understand remand. They have been bailed rather than remanded into custody. This has no bearing on sentence and whether a custodial sentence is given, which it should be. Remand is about immediate protection of the victim, bail with non contact conditions is sufficient in this case to protect the child until the case goes to trial and sentence at which point punishment will be considered. Remand isn't for punishment

Just because they might get off without being properly punished does not mean we should be cheering that on or acting as though that's the correct response.

They should do prison time. Both of them. And yes, it matters.

I am so sorry.

Thinking practically, what age are your parents? Will you need transition care to you at some point. My aunt and uncle have a high needs grandchild. He is a teen now and they can no longer cope babysitting alone - they are mid seventies now.

Im sorry WHAT. Are you okay?!! If they abuse children, innocent little children, they are a danger to society. They are a danger to that little boy.

I cant believe what I've just read.

She's a monster who has met a like-minded monster.

I'd do everything and anything I could to help the Police prosecute them - especially her as she is the parent. He's just a boyfriend so has no legal rights over this poor child.

Is his biological dad/patterns family around? Are they able to support your parents?

Same personally. I would do everything in my power to make sure his "mother" never saw him again.

Please make sure your parents do not let her anywhere near that boy. Evil wicked woman, I hope she never sees the light of day.

I guarantee she is going to try to get him back, and also try to manipulate your parents into letting her have access. The thing you can do from afar is make sure they never let her do this, not now and not in the future.

Keep them strong, and if at any point in the future they become too frail or old to look after him you must step up. I could cry reading about this, that poor little boy.

Not realistic and pp is correct. I don’t think remand is used as an extension of punishment anyway, it’s supposed to be used to keep people who pose an immediate danger or risk of absconding.

No chance of them seeing nephew unsupervised now (and well done to the family for stepping up).

As long as you have evidence of the abuse I would like to hope they’ll never get him back. If they do then the system has failed that little boy.

Only the most dangerous unconvictrd offenders will be remanded in custody, and I think the response here is correct: these people probably are only dangerous to the children that are living with them.

Absolutely, they must be punished after they've been found guilty, but usually, in these cases, the only people they're in direct risk to are their own children.

It sounds like a horrible situation, OP @Kickpot and I hope there's a swift resolution.

This was awful to read just imagining what a little innocent child suffered through. She is his mother! There is no excuse for his treatment.

Why on earth do they want him back for? To inflict more cruelty on him?! I really hope he remains with your parents.

Don't blame yourself the blame is squarely on your sister who put her boyfriend ahead of her DS who needed her to protect him. Your nephew is safe now. Hopefully if he was 2 or 3 when this happened he won't remember it. All you can do is try to help your parents as much as you can. Have him visit you for summer holidays etc. I really hope your sister never gets her DS back. What a brilliant teacher he has.

Pardon? There is such a thing as justice. Society needs to see criminals, particularly child abusers, punished as harshly as possible. Fuck the prison population. Open many more prisons, we need them, they create jobs and they keep vile creatures off the streets.

Justice matters.

How awful, she will hopefully never be allowed near children again. And definitely not her son.

if it was me I would get the first flight home, move back and foster him, your parents deserve to be grandparents now they have done their parenting.