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Desperate - looking for parents who had violent children

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endoftether89 · Today 18:01

I feel absolutely hopeless with my four year old. Whenever he is scared, overwhelmed, or recently if he’s feeling socially rejected by peers he will hit or pull their hair.

It’s been going on for years. I don’t know what to do anymore. I have tried EVERYTHING. He has SEN, most notably developmental delay and communication delay. Poor impulse control in general BUT he went nearly a whole year at nursery with zero hitting, despite doing it at home. So I KNOW that somewhere in him he has the capacity to resist the urge to hit, even when upset (and he was unsettled at nursery to begin with but still no hitting). But he just no longer seems to use that capacity.

I’m not a wet parent. I’m uber calm but I have extremely firm boundaries. I feel like I’ve done all the “right” things. I just don’t know what to do so at this point I’m just crowdsourcing ideas - if ANYONE has specifically dealt with a child who persistently hits and you got it to stop, please let me know how you did it. Any books, any resources, please give me your advice. Did you see a professional? If so what kind? What did they do?

Respectfully, because I’ve seen threads go this way, if you had a child who hit a few times and you got them to stop with a firm telling off then I fear we’re dealing with different types of children. I’ve another child who would not dare hit anyone, so I know it’s very different.

It’s so fucking hard. I cry about it literally every night. I feel so lonely, the holidays have been absolutely awful. I can’t take him anywhere because I have two children so cannot supervise both effectively at eg soft play or kids activities to ensure children aren’t hit. For various reasons too I find the hitting SO difficult to deal with for my own emotions. I was so determined to have a calm home for my children and I very successfully brought him up in a calm home so it is so confusing to me when he started showing this behaviour age 2.

I’m desperate for him to be able to go to school in September but I just can’t understand how he will be able to if he can’t stop hitting. I so badly want him to make a friend, and I know he badly wants friends too. His little face lights up when he sees other children. He’s so caring when he is calm. He’s so bright, he’s taught himself to read with barely any input from me other than just reading to him. I feel like he could do so much if we could just get past this.

Please don’t respond if you’re going to be unkind thank you ❤️

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Specialneedsnightmare · Today 18:13

I'm so sorry. My son is now an adult and he was violent and I know exactly how awful it feels. It was incredibly hard and I was very depressed and physically ill. The violence was mainly due to frustration at being non verbal so finding ways to express himself such as through pecs helped a little but the tendency was always there. Just wanted to say you're not alone.

TinselTarTars · Today 18:14

Hi op, this is a hard situation but not uncommon with SEND.
Whats his communication like? Can he talk, is he frustrated? If so, support him build a toolkit to do so, think visuals. Your local council may have a local offer page, which signposts services and websites with helpful info on this.

Id be wondering if hes dysregulated, even through excitement, hitting can be a common response. Therefore, id be exploring regulation techniques and movement breaks.

With regards to a successful school transition, have the nursery supported with this? You could bring your health visitor on board, although he may fall under the school nurse team due to age.
Holidays always hit harder, when ironically we're excited about ditching the school routine, having too much freedom makes my son even more dsyregulated.

Octavia64 · Today 18:15

Ex teacher
communication delay could be relevant here.

how good is he at communicating with others, either verbally or using signs? I’d work on that.

endoftether89 · Today 18:17

Thank you for responding @Specialneedsnightmare, i really appreciate your kind words, and I’m sorry you went through it too. Did your son stop being violent?

Though my son has a speech delay he’s not non-verbal, and in the last few weeks has started to be able to verbalise how he feels especially when he’s scared. Social issues are more difficult and he doesn’t have the receptive language for me to be able to talk to him about that yet. I think he certainly has the skills to communicate difficult feelings now - but it’s like the habit of hitting is too ingrained in him. So any improvements in speech we’re seeing don’t seem to translate to reduction in violent behaviour.

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Octavia64 · Today 18:23

With my son it wasn’t so much verbalising how he felt but more about using words to communicate with other children. If my son could use words and achieve his objective he would wasn’t as frustrated and hit less

Specialneedsnightmare · Today 18:25

endoftether89 · Today 18:17

Thank you for responding @Specialneedsnightmare, i really appreciate your kind words, and I’m sorry you went through it too. Did your son stop being violent?

Though my son has a speech delay he’s not non-verbal, and in the last few weeks has started to be able to verbalise how he feels especially when he’s scared. Social issues are more difficult and he doesn’t have the receptive language for me to be able to talk to him about that yet. I think he certainly has the skills to communicate difficult feelings now - but it’s like the habit of hitting is too ingrained in him. So any improvements in speech we’re seeing don’t seem to translate to reduction in violent behaviour.

He hasn't completely stopped but incidents of violent behaviour are now much more occasional. In his case, finding the right environment for him as well as helping him express himself were paramount because when he was overwhelmed and/or overstimulated the violence increased. It is also essential that he feels safe with the people he is with. He still lashes out at times when he gets frustrated and he will always have that tendency unfortunately, but he is so much better now.

It does sound like the habit may be ingrained in your son and he needs help to unlearn it, but others might have more ideas on that. Sorry you're going through this.

WellThatIsABitMad · Today 18:26

What kind of school will he be starting in September? Does he have an EHCP ? The school should put a positive behaviour support plan in place as it sounds likely he will need a lot of support - did he attend nursery? There won’t be a quick fix but it’s vital the school uses a PBS approach and that you work closely with them to make sure strategies are agreed to help him in both environments.

endoftether89 · Today 18:30

@TinselTarTars his communication has improved in the last say six months. He didn’t talk until quite late. He was 3 before he was attempting to say words with more than one syllable. Now he is talking in sentences though grammar is not great and he gets personal pronouns wrong often. It is difficult for other people to understand him as he stammers and has odd pronunciation, but he has the language skills now. I think he just can’t get past the habit of hitting.

EG today there were builders outside and the drill noise made him jump and scared him. He said “I’m scared” - him saying this is something he’s started doing in the last few weeks. I gave him a hug and spoke to him, but after about 20 seconds he pushed me away and lunged and hit his nearby grandmother. He used to use visual aid tools at nursery but he won’t really engage with them anymore.

I will have a deep look at the LA website, thanks for the tip, I’ve looked before but found it hard to find much. But perhaps I need to dig deeper to find the useful stuff!

It’s interesting you say that about excitement - when he was younger, age 2, he would definitely hit when excited. He would hit other children if they made him laugh. He doesn’t do that so much anymore, it’s more negative emotions. When he does it because of a clear trigger eg something has scared him then it’s easy to see what’s happened. But when it’s to do with other children it usually seems totally random - after lots of watching I noticed it seems to come after things I think he’s perceiving as a social slight. Eg my friend’s little boy likes lots of personal space. So sometimes my son is in his space and I can see friend’s LO wants space. So I get my son to move back a little. Then a few minutes later he will “randomly” hit him. Because of the delay it took me a long time to notice the pattern. But it’s things like that.

Nursery have been great, the staff were so good with him, but I struggled to understand how it went wrong in the last half term before summer when he started hitting at nursery. He has funding for a 1-1 via his EHCP. So I guess I feel like if a 1-1 isn’t enough to stop the hitting or identify triggers then what possibly will work for him. Nursery did lots of transition visits up to the reception classroom and they made efforts to make this enjoyable for my son, and he did really enjoy it. He was excited to go. However now we’ve been off for summer he gets upset when I mention reception starting in September.

you’re definitely right about the holidays. Thanks for replying

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hahabahbag · Today 18:33

my dd was physical, mostly with me and her sister. I had to be pretty strict, incredibly clear and used bribery as required! My dd is autistic, diagnosed at 2, fully verbal, very clever but unfortunately I can’t tell you it stopped at 5 or whatever. Violent episodes decreased and typically were following times she was masking eg school (good as gold at school, I don’t think they believed me!) do see how things change with school but also don’t hesitate to seek professional help if things escalate or don’t improve over the next few months.

endoftether89 · Today 18:33

Octavia64 · Today 18:15

Ex teacher
communication delay could be relevant here.

how good is he at communicating with others, either verbally or using signs? I’d work on that.

I’m sure it’s the root cause of how it started. But he’s communication is coming on so I don’t know how much more will help with the hitting. It’s definitely still delayed.

he was refused NHS speech therapy last year (which is bonkers because the month after the assessment he had a SOGS assessment putting his communication skills years behind where he should be). I’ve asked for him to be re-referred earlier this year. He had about a year of private SALT but it didn’t seem to be helping much. I’m on the waiting list for a few other private SALTs. I live in a rural area so it’s so bloody hard to find anyone

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endoftether89 · Today 18:38

WellThatIsABitMad · Today 18:26

What kind of school will he be starting in September? Does he have an EHCP ? The school should put a positive behaviour support plan in place as it sounds likely he will need a lot of support - did he attend nursery? There won’t be a quick fix but it’s vital the school uses a PBS approach and that you work closely with them to make sure strategies are agreed to help him in both environments.

He is going to a small mainstream school. He attended the school nursery since September just gone. He has an EHCP which comes with enough funding for a 1-1 (though that’s not explicitly stated. Currently awaiting tribunal on that. Why they’re happy to give the school masses of money for a vague EHCP I don’t know, but the LA have made it clear to me and the school/nursery that they expect the money to be used on one to one provision and school are happy with this).

I will look up about positive behaviour support plans as this hasn’t been mentioned to me, thank you. I had a really close relationship with the nursery teachers so I’m hoping the same goes for the school

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endoftether89 · Today 18:43

Phineyj · Today 18:31

https://capafirstresponse.org/

This Is a useful service which I have used.

This looks brilliant thank you so much, I’m going to contact them

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SwirlingAroundSleep · Today 18:54

I have an ASD step son who did hit at around age 2-4, but we just held firm on not tolerating it (put on naughty step) and it steadily decreased to nothing. Over the last few years there have been almost no violent outbursts (bar one directed at me and his siblings, plus one incident of him shoving his younger brother off a climbing frame - his father read him the riot act about these and sanctioned him with removal of treats so he knew how much trouble he was in). Recently he’s started scratching his brother when annoyed by him not doing what he demands, so I’m definitely not saying I believe he will never be violent again but he does know that violence isn’t tolerated in our house. I don’t believe it’s that simple with all SEND children but my personal belief is that if violence is treated purely as dysregulation and clear and appropriate sanctions/consequences not applied then a child will not actually learn it isn’t acceptable.

WellThatIsABitMad · Today 20:00

endoftether89 · Today 18:38

He is going to a small mainstream school. He attended the school nursery since September just gone. He has an EHCP which comes with enough funding for a 1-1 (though that’s not explicitly stated. Currently awaiting tribunal on that. Why they’re happy to give the school masses of money for a vague EHCP I don’t know, but the LA have made it clear to me and the school/nursery that they expect the money to be used on one to one provision and school are happy with this).

I will look up about positive behaviour support plans as this hasn’t been mentioned to me, thank you. I had a really close relationship with the nursery teachers so I’m hoping the same goes for the school

That’s good, that the EHCP process is all but done. Hopefully the school SENCo will be able to put the right levels of support in place from the start, it’s so much better than starting the process once he’s there. I’d arrange a meeting asap with the relevant staff at school and hopefully they’ll have enough experience and knowledge to support him with any challenging behaviour. They should follow the “all behaviour is communication” PBS approach and also make sure speech and language therapy support is in place to be able to help with strategies to support his communication, hopefully reducing the hitting as he becomes better able to communicate and cope. Good luck, my advice is to take all the support you’re offered and build and keep the lines of communication open and honest with school staff.

inthequietofdawn · Today 20:16

The vague EHCP is because it means the LA isn’t tied to providing certain provision. It can’t be enforced if it isn’t in F.

How are DS’s eating and sleeping? DS1 is more dysregulated when he is more tired.

How are DS’s wider anxiety levels? As above, DS1 is more dysregulated when his wider anxiety levels are worse.

What other support is in the EHCP? Is SALT in there? What about OT, including sensory OT?

Keeping a detailed diary to spot triggers and what works in terms of deescalating before DS reaches the point of no return will help.

Some people find the book the Out of Sync Child book useful. Some find The Explosive Child book helpful. Parts could be helpful now and some may be more helpful as DS gets a little older.

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