Ham pr disasters 55! …no neither David Attenborough or John major will be head of state! ….

It’s karma by the bucketful isn’t it?
Deliciously served in spadefuls.

Brilliant article about the position Harry now finds himself in. Some snippets. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/willam-harry-meghan-markle-b3072433.html

The Independent:

‘Forget politics, a week is a long time in the royal goldfish bowl. It began on Wednesday when Harry proved he was still able to stop the press when he let the world know that reconciliation with his family is ‘the most important thing’ to him. Confronted by the British weather (mixed) and a royal welcome (frosty), Harry’s return to England appears to have alerted him to what he no longer has – a seat at Britain’s top table.

As power plays go, the Prince of Wales’s sanitised appearance on high profile BBC1 platform will underscore Harry’s impotence - his GQ interview being a masterclass in what not to do. (Please note the masterclass that Harry was meant to be promoting was on grief – predictably it wasn’t the one the press picked up on).
Instead the Duke’s latest overshare served to remind us of his new found homelessness. A dislocation compounded by the other big royal story of the week - Meghan Markle’s statement about being deeply distressed following the reports of child sex images allegations being made against her father Thomas Markle. While he denies them as ‘sick lies’, it is all a salient reminder that all is not rosy in the Sussex camp.

There is an irony to this impasse. Six years ago Harry left Britain in a strop, flaunting and monetising his inferior ‘SPARE’ status, only to compound his brother’s power base. These days the Prince of Wales, invested with the hereditary trump card from the get-go, finds himself in an unassailable position. Catherine and William are now all the King has got when it comes to star power within the royal ranks.

Harry knows this, which is why he caveated his stated desire for reconciliation with the disclaimer that some ‘scars stick around forever.’ Well quite. As do some documentaries and some interviews. Perhaps he could start with a public book-burning

For Harry fans, among whom I count myself a part-time player, his capacity to emote is a touching reminder of the many similarities he shares with his late mother. Sadly she did not live to warn Harry of the downsides of letting rip.
In his interview the Duke pushed back against the idea he had any reason to feel sorry for himself. ‘I am a prince’ he reminded GQ. Well quite. And one who has done shed-loads of therapy. But no amount of psychobabble can flip the narrative: these days Harry is a prince saddled with a scandal-hit father-in-law, and stuck on the wrong side of palace walls. Small wonder he craves re-entry to the royal firm.

Pitifully he conceded that now he was back in Britain it was nice to be ‘closer to my family’. Close but no cigar. No Christmas invite, no season’s greetings. The safe money has the Sussexes back in America, roasting chestnuts in California with Doria. It looks like Grinch William will get his own way this yuletide. As Harry baldly observes: ‘some people don’t want to work it out’.
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Publication and remuneration are tempting salves, but the playing field is far from level. William is richer, William doesn’t have to delve into personal matters to make money (Earthshot and only Earthshot), and William can afford to hold a grudge.

Olive branch or not, the Prince of Wales will still become King. And Harry will drift back downstream, praying for family charity and popping up in compromising celebrity iterations, his nose pressed against the proverbial royal window. ’

Oh come on! You know the difference if you are told just after the wedding or if you are pregnant with your first child!!!!!

You can’t confuse the dates that much. And if she has no record of anything….then why say 2018? where’s the evidence you were assured that it was investigated?

the Sun:

‘A spokesman for the Sussexes told The Sun the minor date discrepancy was “understandable” given the amount of time that had passed.
He said: “In recalling events from more than seven years ago, without the benefit of a diary entry or contemporaneous record, it is understandable that she may have been mistaken by a few months.
“If the MPS holds a time-stamped record confirming that the letter was reviewed in 2019, that should be treated as the accurate reference point for when it was received and shared with the Duchess.
“I think it is reasonable to recognise that she is doing her best to recall the precise timing of events that were not diarised at the time, and that any discrepancy of a few months is an understandable consequence of that passage of time.”

MM made the link between TMJ's allegations and thevletter. The letter wasn't common knowledge until TMJ made his allegations and then MM's statement mentions the letter containing "troubling and disturbing" allegations about her dad. Why mention this letter at all in this context if it wasn't also about CSA?

True. But the US isn't going to extradite an American citizen based on an ongoing investigation, they would want to see the report after the investigation closed. And in the current 'atmosphere' between the US and Mexico the US may very well have told Mexico to go swivel.

But as I mentioned above, if TMSr had even a whiff that the shit was going to hit the fan he could have been out of Mexico within an hour (give or take) and then been airborne out of the US in not much more than an hour after that. So it's also quite possible that he would have been out of the US before Mexican authorities even knew he was gone or US authorities knew he'd been back in the US.

First off, I admit that I was sooo far behind on threads that I've given up and skipped to the last post. So forgive me if this has been speculated earlier.

Regarding the reverse ferret Megxit in late August, it could be possible that she had gotten word that, as a result of TMJr's discovery and subsequent report to authorities, there was an investigation starting (or going on) into her father and she either had been or was worried that she would be contacted by the relevant authorities as to 'what did she know, and when did she know it?' and was concerned about allegations in the 2018 letter which she kept silent on. I'm not suggesting she would be anything other than her being approached as an innocent party asked to provide information. But I have a feeling that the last thing HaM would want would be for either of them to be involved in a police investigation of that nature in any way, shape, or form, let alone any damning information should that 2018 letter come to light.

The US authorities weren't going to 'protect her' from other authorities, but perhaps HaM believed that, 'as royalty' the UK authorities would. May also be another reason why they desperately want RAVEC protection.

It's also quite possible that 'the 2018 letter' itself was written by a family member (Samantha's letter at the KP gates?) as a plea to M to either 'tell what she knew' or to 'come to their father's defense'. I'm sure that any letters, especially one handed over at the KP gates from an estranged relative, would be screened for contents and then handed over to the appropriate person to give to the Royal involved. If this letter does contain a plea to defend him against CSA allegations, it will be damning.

FWIW, as far as I can tell TMSr's residency dates are:

2011 retired, moved to Mexico
2017 reported still living in Mexico
2025 moved to Philippines
2026 returned to Florida, USA

My feeling is that his move to the Philippines in 2025 may have been prompted by an investigation by the Mexican authorities who may have contacted US and Philippine authorities. US authorities may have been contacted if he had kept any 'ties' to the US. And chances are he still had US bank accounts.

Or it could all be bollocks on the part of TMJr. Who knows at this point.

The letter may well have been written by a victim.

I get where you're coming from, readbutdonotpostoften, but given her attritude towards the MIGS would she really have wanted to consult them on anything?

"My feeling is that his move to the Philippines in 2025 may have been prompted by an investigation by the Mexican authorities who may have contacted US and Philippine authorities. US authorities may have been contacted if he had kept any 'ties' to the US. And chances are he still had US bank accounts."

Mexico and the US have an extradition treaty, so Mexico can ask for him to be extradited from the US if they believe he has committed offences in their jurisdiction.

The 2019 letter was supposedly handwritten by someone known to the Markle family. It's an odd way of going about doing things. When the letter writer saw that nothing was being investigated, why didn't he/she make the allegations to a more relevant police authority?

But didn't they say the letter came from someone close to Meghan?

Which would make it worse if she kept quiet and did nothing to protect the children of family/friends

My feeling is that his move to the Philippines in 2025 may have been prompted by an investigation by the Mexican authorities who may have contacted US and Philippine authorities. US authorities may have been contacted if he had kept any 'ties' to the US. And chances are he still had US bank accounts.

Could he have moved if there were investigations going on?

@HamTwatter….your wish is my command…
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5592564-ham-pr-disasters-56the-confusing-contradictions-continue?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=app_share

Right. Finally caught up to the end of 54. As this is on 927 posts, I thought I’d say hi before thread 69. Thank you Jeff as ever.

Oh, and if it’s still relevant, apparently, John Major really does have a forensic eye for detail.

The letter may well have been written by a victim.

"My feeling is that his move to the Philippines in 2025 may have been prompted by an investigation by the Mexican authorities who may have contacted US and Philippine authorities. US authorities may have been contacted if he had kept any 'ties' to the US. And chances are he still had US bank accounts."

Mexico and the US have an extradition treaty, so Mexico can ask for him to be extradited from the US if they believe he has committed offences in their jurisdiction.

The 2019 letter was supposedly handwritten by someone known to the Markle family. It's an odd way of going about doing things. When the letter writer saw that nothing was being investigated, why didn't he/she make the allegations to a more relevant police authority?

It would be a real plot twist if the original 2019 letter came from TMJr in an attempt to extract hush money!

Yes, but we still don’t know what the allegations are. They may be nothing to do with what TM jnr has alleged (although I think they probably are)