Ham pr disasters 55! …no neither David Attenborough or John major will be head of state! ….

Thank you.

William doesn't mind laughing at himself whereas Harry can't but is stuck in very juvenile humour, often inappropriate physical humour, such as smacking bums/tweaking nipples etc.

William fully leans into the fact that he is now the the embarrassing dad whereas Harry takes himself very seriously. We saw that with his strop when the autocue stopped working a few weeks' ago when he stormed off the stage unable to continue without it - whereas I've no doubt that William likely always has a hardcopy somewhere.

Men in Grey

What does MIG stand for please?

Never was
’Oh, what a tangled web we weave
When first we practise to deceive’ *
more apt than describing Meghan Markle’s exploits with her version of the truth.

There are elements that the current uproar is self inflicted. Not of course the contents of the letter or the allegations around TM and not IMO her reason to keep quiet for the last 8 years (risk of derailing a conviction, no actual proof at the time etc) and I am supportive of her being NC even with unproven allegations - but to now hijack these recent developments to enrich herself personally (As Ever adverts in The Sun) and to improve her reputation is repulsive.

Also, he's extremely ill. A trial may not happen

I would cut M some slack over dates.

If it was just 'dates' I'd agree. Although you'd wonder why someone who supposedly has her own 'office', complete with 'global press secretary' would not make sure to get the dates exactly right before issuing a statement on such an important matter.

But as I said above, it's not just 'dates'. It's an entirely different year, season and period in her life. You could easily get a date wrong. But this? And for such an important communication? I don't think so.

Even if TM is guilty, that doesn’t mean he’s going be convicted. The whole case might be compromised by the MM factor, media interest…

There are allegedly photos of Markle raping a child. How will you lot bend that to make it MM's fault, I wonder.

Given that they're 'allegedly' it might be a good idea to wait until it's confirmed it's him before throwing him even further under the wheels to protect his daughter's good name on here.

Would you care to address the discrepancies between the repeated reasons for her cutting him off and the reason she apparently continued contact for some time after her wedding?

And 'you lot'? who is that, exactly?

She hasn't explained why she cut her father off. The allegations cannot be the reason now

Well if the rape happened after 2018, I can quite easily see how fingers will be pointing at her accusingly. It was in her power to protect children from further abuse. Any victims since 2018 are partly on her conscience. You may have a different moral code to me however.

Have you read the (many) threads? Were you on them? I was. There’s huge criticism of how QEII dealt with this and how she fell in many posters’ estimation as a result. Same with other RF members who contributed and those who colluded in the whole Trade Envoy misjudgment eg various government ministers. Obviously the most criticism was reserved for Andrew. It’s still obviously unfinished business.

I would cut M some slack over dates.

My impression is that the clap backs by H&M are done quickly and Ms response to the original article was quick.

It is always a bad idea to write and then send any communication when angry or upset. Always sleep on it, have a critical friend check it etc. A good PR would have advised take your time and double check facts before issuing a statement.

The MIG know this which is why, recollections may vary, was about a perfect piece of comms as you can get. No one remembers what else was said but we all remember that and trot it out regularly with H&M but also for Charles Spencer. It has entered the lexicon of our language and is used about other situations including our own family, friends and work relationships. “Economical with the truth” from the spycatcher trial is a similar phrase.

Part of the problem appears to be H&M don’t take advice or don’t listen to advice. This is a common thread right from the beginning with M and I think H was fed up being “managed” by the MIG and welcomed the freedom of having his own voice. Sadly, this has backfired spectacularly.

If H & M have any sense they would go completely quiet and not brief the press, post on instagram etc. do any “public events” etc. This is what would be best for A&L too. I don’t think they will, but a total media blackout to allow the evidenced facts to come out would garner the most sympathy.

Yes, sympathy for M, no one would want to find out their Dad has been accused of having CSA images etc. No matter when she knew, the media storm about this is not something I would wish on anyone.

It was passed on to her. She assumed it had been passed on within the Met to the appropriate department and investigated,

But by all means get back to quibbling about the date of this letter and whether or not she had it in her luggage when she moved to the states or whatever nonsense you lot can come up with to divert and distract from the fact that her father has been confirmed by fresh sources with what seems a mountain of evidence now - as this letter claimed - to be a pedophile preying on children in the Philippines and Thailand.

There are allegedly photos of Markle raping a child. How will you lot bend that to make it MM's fault, I wonder.

Covid is a good marker, isn't it? Was it before or after? As you say, births and deaths, receiving important news, good or bad. So Meghan can remember not being offered a lift by Kate, her not sharing the lipgloss, but she struggles to remember when she got information - shocking and distressing information - about her father?

She never received the letter. It was sent directly to the Met and because it contained references to her security, it was passed to her and the Duke's office. So no, she's not responsible for the timing, but if she's going to release a statement, she should get HER timings straight. The Met received the letter six months after she claims to have first seen it. That's quite an error.

I'm sorry you dislike people questioning the facts, but MM is a habitual liar and her statement yesterday is another example.

Maybe she was being wooed by people from the paper, but still she should know the British press better. Or at least Harry should…

I’m finding it all horribly entangled and confused, so will reserve judgement (although my earlier comment that it would have been better for Meghan to have said as little as possible still stands). However you slice it, it’s more Markle drama. What an exhausting existence that woman must have, and most of it (although not necessarily the current uproar) self inflicted.

I get where you're coming from, readbutdonotpostoften, but given her attritude towards the MIGS would she really have wanted to consult them on anything?

I think if you are given bad news (a death, illness, potential criminal paedophile) you tend to remember where you were and when it happened. What is hard to recall is the mundane or routine. I struggle to remember or see the difference between one Christmas and another, but know exactly where I was when news came of the deaths of people I loved.

I don’t keep a diary. But then a public figure would have someone to keep their diary.

I said earlier today on this thread (or another MM thread!!) that the timeline of all these events would come back to bite her.
I’m not convinced yet of Daddy Markles guilt - it just seems unbelievably convenient …..however I will believe it if the evidence is there! I’m not blinkered.
ATM I’m not inclined to believe the Sun, TM junior and especially MM (who doesn’t seem to know the truth on most things).
I’m waiting to see what is under the next stone before I make my mind up on this latest chapter.

It's not just the date. If she'd said she got the letter on the 19th September but it was actually 5th October that would be one thing.

But an entirely different year, season, period in her life? The difference between being a newly married newly minted royal to having already done royal tours and being pregnant with her first child? That's something else entirely.

We're only a day in and the whole story is starting to unravel. She really is an agent of chaos.

A long time ago I worked in a small office connected to the police and there were a lot of letters.
Each letter was stamped on receipt every day before it went to the relevant department.
Of course these were for driving offences so it might be different procedures for more serious offences.

I didn’t mention anything about the timing.
I wondered why they would bring paperwork from 8 (or 7) yrs ago to a furnished house -specifically this piece of paperwork.
I wondered why you think questioning that makes this place ‘a cesspit’.

Best avoid these threads if you don’t like them dearie.