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Goading and group pile ons

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LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 10:04

I would be grateful if you could confirm what measures you take to deal with goady posters and pile on attacks. I am seeing this on here every day and nothing is being done about it. I have sent you two emails.

OP posts:
pokewomans · Yesterday 15:55

@cardibach I also AI’d myself

cardibach · Yesterday 15:54

jeffgoldblum · Yesterday 15:52

Why on earth would you use her information to search someone else’s name and then broadcast what you did here?
you are using ai in a bullying manner.

How is it bullying? She neither mentioned which poster nor what it said - just that it was somewhat accurate in her opinion.

jeffgoldblum · Yesterday 15:52

pokewomans · Yesterday 15:50

@jeffgoldblum why are you replying to me then? Who have I piled on by testing out what @BIWI said. I had no idea it was a thing!

Why on earth would you use her information to search someone else’s name and then broadcast what you did here?
you are using ai in a bullying manner.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 15:52

For some reason that mnhq links to a long running thread so here it is

Hi all. Due to the volume of reports we're receiving about this and similar threads, we feel the need to step in.

We know political threads can be passionate, and people are allowed to disagree sometimes very strongly, but we need everyone to keep that disagreement about the issue, rather than turning it into something personal.

Some of the behaviour we've seen on these threads is pretty unpleasant and can feel like rounding on people because their views don't align. With this in mind, and for the sake of civil discussion on polarised topics, please don’t tag someone merely to make a point about how often they post, when they joined Mumsnet or what you assume their motives are. Don’t comb through someone’s posting history, speculate about their identity or activity elsewhere, or use AI to analyse their posts. And please don’t keep pressing someone to reply, or treat a lack of response as proof that they have no answer.

If you think a post breaks Talk guidelines, report it and let us look at it. Personal attacks, troll-hunting, goading and attempts to turn a thread against one person aren’t okay whatever the topic.

We will take action where posts cross the line, and we may take further action where we see a repeated pattern of targeting or provoking other users.
Please help us keep these threads lively and challenging without making them hostile.
MNHQ

BoredZelda · Yesterday 15:52

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 14:19

AI also often gives false results. It's interpretation of individual posters should not be weaponised, and should not be posted on a public forum. Not only is it an invasion of privacy, its often wrong.

How is it an invasion of Privacy? It is looking at information posted on a public forum.

pokewomans · Yesterday 15:50

@jeffgoldblum why are you replying to me then? Who have I piled on by testing out what @BIWI said. I had no idea it was a thing!

BeckyAMumsnet · Yesterday 15:50

Thanks to all who contacted us with their concerns. We've posted on this thread now with an update. https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5575770-labour-isnt-working-thread-40?page=2&reply=154986127

We'd very much appreciate your cooperation in ensuring these threads are a decent place to debate thorny political issues without being personally attacked.

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https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5575770-labour-isnt-working-thread-40?page=2&reply=154986127

Foolish1984 · Yesterday 15:49

@LuckyHazelFoxThey don’t usually respond to emails unless you’re replying to an email from them - so give that a go.

2dogsandabudgie · Yesterday 15:48

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 15:31

...just like clockwork.

Yes exactly, I've called a certain group of posters out on here before about bullying and piling on to one poster. Have been on the receiving end myself a couple of times in the past.

pokewomans · Yesterday 15:48

@lifeturnsonadimeyes, that would defo make me change my name more regularly

jeffgoldblum · Yesterday 15:48

pokewomans · Yesterday 15:45

Have you AI’d yourself? 😆

No why would I? , I already know who I am !

BIWI · Yesterday 15:47

Bear in mind that the stuff it produces is based on what you've posted - it doesn't make things up. And everything that anyone posts on Mumsnet is out in the wide world for anyone to see anyway ...

Viviennemary · Yesterday 15:47

I don't think the pile ons are nearly as bad as they were a few years ago. However, it does annoy me when folk say oh you must be thick if you think that or you must have a sad life if you think this.

lifeturnsonadime · Yesterday 15:47

BIWI · Yesterday 13:36

If you put "describe the poster called [insert posting name] on Mumsnet" into the search box of your browser, it will use its version of AI to produce a profile of that poster based on their posting history. Some also include things about them that come from other sites, like reddit.

Do it on your own name and see what it says about you!

that's fascinating!

Foolish1984 · Yesterday 15:45

Mumsnet moderators can often target any outlier on a thread, even when they’ve been perfectly polite about it. I’ve been that outlier more than once and simply said that I politely disagree, here’s why etc, only to get a million posters pile onto me with abuse - to which I don’t respond at all, then the next morning I get a ‘Mumsnet Calling…’ email, warning me about my posts not being “in the spirit of Mumsnet” 🤷🏼‍♀️

It really does depend who the moderator is tbh. Some of them are great and zap any posts which are in breach of the MN talk guidelines. However some of the others genuinely don’t see any problem with ableism (and I mean any problem with it at all…) and seem to think if you disagree with the majority on a thread, that this makes you ‘inflammatory’. It’s the luck of the draw.

pokewomans · Yesterday 15:45

jeffgoldblum · Yesterday 15:40

Talk about proving the ops point!

Have you AI’d yourself? 😆

Efacsen · Yesterday 15:44

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 15:31

...just like clockwork.

Do you mean this thread is at the top of Active and attracting lots of attention/replies?

TemperanceWest · Yesterday 15:42

EasternStandard · Yesterday 15:32

Op you don’t need to explain it here, you will just get more posts against. Send what you have to mnhq, they’ll take it up.

Edited

I think LHF has already done that. See her reply to Becky.

jeffgoldblum · Yesterday 15:40

pokewomans · Yesterday 14:50

@BIWI

OMG I just did it for a poster that stands out on the Royal board!

It is not flattering but also not wrong

Talk about proving the ops point!

TemperanceWest · Yesterday 15:36

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 15:31

...just like clockwork.

What do you mean? I hope you aren't implying our responses were co-ordinated. We all posted within a minute. If we were co-ordinating we'd be pretty damn stupid to do that.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 15:32

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 15:25

Happy to laugh off certain stuff and respond accordingly, I am not happy to sit back and watch online bullying and badgering posters to respond to tagged posts. Also not happy to see views twisted and read back to a poster when they are referring to a different point. Or to see somebody tell the thread how many times I have posted and when I joined MN . That goes beyond debating and it is attacking the poster not the point in hand.

Op you don’t need to explain it here, you will just get more posts against. Send what you have to mnhq, they’ll take it up.

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 15:31

...just like clockwork.

OP posts:
cardibach · Yesterday 15:30

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 15:27

Great, maybe I will get the chance to post here for years, like you.

If you don’t break the posting guidelines you will. MN won’t delete or ban if you haven’t done anything against the rules. nobody can make you do that. It’s entirely in your hands.

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 15:29

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 15:27

Great, maybe I will get the chance to post here for years, like you.

It’s in your hands. I think you need to toughen up a bit. You need a thick skin on the political threads.

TemperanceWest · Yesterday 15:29

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 15:27

Great, maybe I will get the chance to post here for years, like you.

There is absolutely no reason why you shouldn't get the chance? You are in control of whether or not you post within TG.