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Hatred towards social housing tenants on here getting worse.

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JenniferBooth · 17/12/2023 13:51

And really nasty and out of control Here is one example but there have been many

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4964096-to-still-feel-slightly-bitter-about-this-inheriting-social-housing?page=1

There have been a few threads in the last week alone. Its like this is a nice safe little prejudice that the social housing haters can enjoy with no comebacks.

To still feel slightly bitter about this? (Inheriting social housing) | Mumsnet

I grew up in a two bed council house with my mother (single parent) and my sister in what could now be considered a highly gentrified area within walk...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4964096-to-still-feel-slightly-bitter-about-this-inheriting-social-housing?page=1

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roarrfeckingroar · 18/12/2023 18:35

@JenniferBooth don't ask a question then chuck an "ism" abo

Prayfortheangels · 18/12/2023 18:32

Naptrappedmummy · 18/12/2023 18:20

There’s zero sympathy for the squeezed middle so why should they feel sympathy for others? It’s got bad enough that we all just care about ourselves now.

Speak for yourself.

Naptrappedmummy · 18/12/2023 18:20

There’s zero sympathy for the squeezed middle so why should they feel sympathy for others? It’s got bad enough that we all just care about ourselves now.

JenniferBooth · 18/12/2023 18:18

And under the new Social Housing Act owner occupiers will have to have the same checks done if their flat is in a block and others are social housing. Lets see if the social housing "freebies" like these checks done by these "contractors" are something to be jealous of once a few owner occupiers have to experience them!!!

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JenniferBooth · 18/12/2023 18:10

Brilliant post @Maverickess

Found this Quite interesting

I had the misfortune of being an electrical subcontractor for McIntyre on a social housing contract. The first issue came up when they forgot to schedule me for my induction, so I had to force them to have me on the day. The second issue came with one of their software for uploading before and after pictures that did not work half of the time. The third and most important issue came when they called me to tell me that they cannot pay me for the electrical certificate condition reports that have been unsatisfactory, because the client only paid on a satisfactory condition report. Please note that they have not provided any stock, nor paid you for using your own materials. After a phone argument with the project manager, they finally agreed to pay for all of them pending that I would return to do the repairs. Consequently, they called me back to tell me that I have not invoiced them, given that I have filled an invoice for every single site. They replied that those where their own invoices for the client. So for 40£ an EICR, you are expected to complete the inspection, complete the certificate, upload it, upload the pictures, fill in the invoice for them (yes they expect you to do their invoicing), fill in the invoice for yourself as subcontractor, fill in a timesheet (I don’t know for what as you are paid per job, and you have to do a separate invoice to get paid). And all of that will give you 40£ IF you have marked the EICR as satisfactory. I could add that you are expected to supply everything you need, including, van, fuel, tablet, work phone, tools, PPE, etc. After they agreed to pay the unsatisfactory EICRs, they called me to tell me that my UTR is not valid. Then that is not CIS registered, and it is so they had to hold 30% of my earnings. Considering that my HMRC approved accountant has confirmed in writing to me that the UTR is CIS registered and I have been paid thru it before, I could not trust them any further. They gave me a van stock after they realized I cannot pass the EICRs if there are faults. By that time I already had enough of them. I have only received 30% of payments and had to keep the van stock until they decide to give me what I am owed

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JenniferBooth · 18/12/2023 18:08

As a childfree by choice woman i could say the same about parents. You find that they arent so keen on free speech then

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SawX · 18/12/2023 18:04

There are lots of groups that are looked down on or posted about negatively. There's no need to single out social housing tenants as needing special protection.

JenniferBooth · 18/12/2023 18:04

@roarrfeckingroar Your classism is showing

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JenniferBooth · 18/12/2023 18:01

@Twoshoesnewshoes well this should cheer you up. Im expected to let these in for an electrical safety check right before Christmas. What could go wrong??!!!

Cowboys! total joke they did the fire alarms and security system in my bungalow and wire it up to my lights instead of the smoke alarm fuse, it as cost my a fortune as I am on a pay as you go meter, my meter as used £9.00 in 3 day that would normally last me nearly a fortnight. Now I am getting the electric company out who supply my electric to check the wiring! Everything was okay until they did they work! A JOKE!

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Twoshoesnewshoes · 18/12/2023 17:58

Personally I don’t feel annoyed at SH tenants. We are all just winners or losers in the local councils process. It’s very gutting that this security and affordability is only available to the few not the many , and where I live there are elderly single people living in three bed houses which does feel really wrong and unfair.
but I appreciate the system is unfair, not the tenants.
it is jarring though sometimes if tenants try to justify the system or say it is fair, but most don’t.

JenniferBooth · 18/12/2023 17:49

@HebeMumsnet OK Thanks for replying

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HebeMumsnet · 18/12/2023 09:55

Hi there @JenniferBooth (and others). Thanks for getting in touch.

We've had a look at the thread you specifically mention and we think as a whole it's ok. If there are any particular posts that you think we need a closer look at though, please do just hit the report button.

We don't feel it's a subject we can stop people discussing really. If rules are being broken, however, and there are personal attacks there or that sort of thing, that's different and we'd delete anything like that. Similarly, if you suspected that someone was on Mumsnet JUST to post about this kind of topic in order to stir up trouble, we'd always be happy to take a look behind the scenes and make sure they were here to post in a genuine way.

Usually, when we get a run of threads on a topic like this it's simply because seeing another thread on the subject has reminded people of a situation in their own lives, so they also post about it. But we can see that occasionally it can feel a bit wearisome. You can always 'hide' threads from yourself so they don't pop up again whenever you log on, but as we say, if you ever have any doubts please do just report them. We're always happy to take a look and check so don't worry about being 'wrong' or anything like that.

JazzyJogger · 18/12/2023 09:39

@SuperSange

Maybe you have an old tenancy contract ? I thought if you take a tenancy now they did reviews to see if the property is still suitable for your needs ? I don't blame you for staying where you are btw, My friend is in a three bedroom house on her own with her husband and has a bargaining chip , she isn't leaving until she gets the accommodation she wants as she has an old tenancy contract and I don't blame her . They have health problems and need a bungalow.

Comedycook · 18/12/2023 09:39

We're in a hugely expensive area to live, so no way could we afford to buy

I understand that...but the problem is huge numbers of people are in the same situation and will never stand a chance at getting social housing. There are many many people who will be deserving cases but there's not enough properties. Of course it will result in resentment

SuperSange · 18/12/2023 09:13

JazzyJogger · 18/12/2023 08:47

I may be wrong but social housing is no longer for life ? I thought you now have to downsize if the property is no longer suitable for your needs ?

Not true necessarily. We're in ours for life. We both work full time, and are staying put. We're in a hugely expensive area to live, so no way could we afford to buy. When the houses were built, it was a planning condition that they went to people who had a local connection, and my now husband was given one. The condition still stands, so even if we left, someone local would be given it, not someone from out of the immediate area.
So in short, it really does depend on the individual authority/HA/any planning conditions.

JazzyJogger · 18/12/2023 08:47

I may be wrong but social housing is no longer for life ? I thought you now have to downsize if the property is no longer suitable for your needs ?

InflatableSanta · 18/12/2023 08:41

Politicians like to stir up the hatred as it means priority get mad at each other rather than at the lack of affordable housing (including the lack of properly regulated private rental homes)

It's not surprising tensions run high when for many housing costs take up most of their take home pay . And when private landlords can kick them out on a whim

And people hear about the shiny new social housing and forget some social housing tenants live in quite difficult conditions

Princessfluffy · 18/12/2023 08:09

This is about a shortage of new social homes being built but also about a lack of overall homes being built and lack of secure tenancies in the private sector.

No political party of any colour ever achieves building a decent number of new homes due to vested interests. The system is broken.

And what happens to society? Not enough homes to go round, people in insecure extortionate private rentals, young people unable to buy, overcrowding of families.
People resenting each other instead of the corrupt system and the rich elite for whom things are working really well as they continue to buy up more and more property themselves.

Mercury2702 · 17/12/2023 22:59

I just hate the posts that make out we’re lucky. Yeah I’m lucky that I became eligible after going into refuge fleeing domestic violence and me and my son lost everything.

I actually work as a nurse now and have lived in mine for 3 years but it’s not without its issues despite the cheaper rent. Mould growing behind my front door, damp, my third year running of rat infestations. People seem to think it’s just very easy to get given social housing without considering the circumstances of those who are actually genuine

Gingerkittykat · 17/12/2023 22:54

I think the situation you just described is why so many people hate SH tenants because they think they are playing the system when stories like this are actually rare and most tenants are good people just living their lives and don't have partners with second homes.

SilkFloss · 17/12/2023 22:11

I have no skin in this game but my friend is currently in emergency housing with her two kids after being evicted by a private landlord. She is pretty resentful that someone we both know has a secure tenancy in a three-bed home, when her kids have left home and her live-in partner of many years has his own home, no mortgage, which he rents out for a hefty whack.
To be honest, I can see her point.

Maverickess · 17/12/2023 20:02

Wheresmykitten · 17/12/2023 18:54

Envy especially with the cost of living crisis. I count my blessings every day for my secure social housing tenancy and can’t imagine the stress of possibly being evicted hanging over me and having to come up to with moving costs and deposits. Nit to mention uprooting kids and school changes etc. Never being able to feel secure must be horrible. Everyone deserves a secure tenancy in my opinion. I would probably be jealous if I didn’t have one too.

I lived like that for years, I've lived now in SH for coming up 8 years. I earn a little over nmw, in fact the new nmw will be more in April than I earn now. I'll likely get 10 maybe 20p an hour more when that happens. That wouldn't bridge the gap between SH rent and a private rent. My SH provider is a non profit organisation, and they do a lot for the communities they are part of to make them pleasant and decent. But that points towards not only the housing stock paying for itself through the rents raised but also having some surplus to be able to do that. By comparison the council services are woeful.

At times when in private rent I received housing benefit to help me be able to pay (and I've never been unemployed, part time for a little while because there was no availability for local childcare), since living in SH the rent has been paid entirely by wages.

I wasn't jealous of SH tenants when in private rent because I didn't blame them for the way my LL's behaved - the issue was the LL and the way that the system works, it would still be the same if SH didn't exist (likely worse actually because then the market would have a completely captive audience). SH tenants are also not to blame for mortgage increases or house prices, or people over mortgaging themselves.

I pay less than a private rent, probably not as much less as some think, but it is less, but then unlike the private rent I've lived in there was literally nothing when I moved in, not even plugs in the bath and sink. None of the things like white goods, fixtures and fittings or carpets - you provide those yourself - pay less and get less - which I am absolutely fine with, more than fine with. And the SH organisation doesn't behave like they're doing me some massive benevolent favour by allowing me to give them what is still a large amount of money to live in 'their' house, like some LLs do - behaving like they get nothing out of it and they're some kind of Saint for renting out a property. They actually recognise they're providing a service in return for payment and I'm a customer effectively.

I mean they're not perfect, they have policies that indicate they are unaware of the fact so many of their tenants work and don't sit at home all day, and arrange appointments without telling you and then get arsey when you're not in for the appointment you don't know you have. I have a dripping tap and a window that doesn't shut properly and it's been like that coming on 2 years now, it's cellotaped up to stop the draught and the online portal just says that the repair request is 'being processed'. And before anyone starts, on the occasions where I've actually had an appointment to fix it and it's been cancelled at the last minute, I've asked if I can fix them myself/get someone in and I would be in breach of my tenancy if I did.

I lost everything to an abusive relationship and that's how I became eligible for social housing and I live somewhere that I wouldn't have considered if I'd had more choice because it's got various issues (not with the actual place but it's position) and apparently I'm the longest standing tenant since it became SH because other people clearly felt the same!
We still have some bare floors and rooms that have the decor that was here when we moved in. It's secure though, and I'm grateful for it. I still struggle financially, but I'd be screwed if in private rent.

I just find it confusing that anyone would be jealous to the point that they need to be be vindictive about all that, I get that it's really tough for some right now, but it's been really tough for me and still is with COL hanging over everyone. I barely got back on my feet and COVID hit, then COL.

I've every sympathy with people struggling, but me struggling more isn't going to stop them struggling is it? It'll just mean they have to go be jealous of someone else.

Wheresmykitten · 17/12/2023 18:54

Envy especially with the cost of living crisis. I count my blessings every day for my secure social housing tenancy and can’t imagine the stress of possibly being evicted hanging over me and having to come up to with moving costs and deposits. Nit to mention uprooting kids and school changes etc. Never being able to feel secure must be horrible. Everyone deserves a secure tenancy in my opinion. I would probably be jealous if I didn’t have one too.

Comedycook · 17/12/2023 18:54

Bloodybloodtest · 17/12/2023 18:47

@Comedycook

I have 2 adult DDs renting in London. I would rather that for them than suffering DV and allocated social housing as a result.

I think some people would prefer that all social housing was sold off, rather than providing for those in need, because of misplaced jealousy. I expect to see workhouses return in some form during my lifetime.

Very strange interpretation of what I said.

I never suggested social housing should not be available

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