Page 5 | Hatred towards social housing tenants on here getting worse.

JenniferBooth · 2023-12-17T13:51:44+00:00

And really nasty and out of control Here is one example but there have been many [[https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4964096-to-still-feel-slightly-bitter-about-this-inheriting-social-housing?page=1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4964096-to-still-feel-slightly-bitter-about-this-inheriting-social-housing?page=1]] There have been a few threads in the last week alone. Its like this is a nice safe little prejudice that the social housing haters can enjoy with no comebacks.

tiggergoesbounce · 18/12/2023 22:59

How fucked up is that?

Yes but its not wrong that the people living in SH keep their home, youre anger or resentment is aimed in the wrong place. Who makes you sell your parents house?? Maybe it needs to be aimed there.

The privilege is that you met had enough money that met the inheritenve threshold to then move on with, some people dont have any money to do that when they loose their parents. Its not a bad thing, just something to acknowledge.

VeronicaSawyer89 · 18/12/2023 22:58

Comedycook · 18/12/2023 21:39

Im saying the rhetoric around it is fucked up. You called me privileged...what's privileged about losing your home and you parent in one swoop. I bet if a social housing tenant was made to leave a property after a bereavement, even if given a new one, you'd be overflowing with sympathy and saying how awful it is.

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I'd be overflowing with sympathy for you if you weren't so bitter towards people who have something you don't. Are you also this bitter towards rich people? You must have absolute venom for the royal family!

VeronicaSawyer89 · 18/12/2023 22:55

Comedycook · 18/12/2023 21:33

But when social housing tenants die and their tenancy is passed on, apparently that is great, afteral it's their family home and there's an emotional connection to it and how could they possibly be expected to live anywhere else. Meanwhile someone can own their own property and their family is turfed out so the government can take a share and they are apparently incredibly privileged. How fucked up is that?

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Most social housing is owned by housing associations now, not councils. There is no right to pass on a home when the tenant dies with housing associations and that right has ended with new council tenancies. How was all that money for you when you inherited it?

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JenniferBooth · 18/12/2023 22:12

@Holiday224 thats closer to envy rather than jealousy You can envy someone without it being malicious

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Holiday224 · 18/12/2023 21:58

I think its OK to be jealous I really do I was jealous of people in SH before I got one. But that does not mean. I would have hatred towards them. I would not make them feel shit. I would feel happy for them . That don't mean I can't be jealous though

Begsthequestion · 18/12/2023 21:52

Leah5678 · 17/12/2023 14:54

Honestly. We are jealous. As waiting lists get longer and private rent gets more expensive you can expect the jealousy towards the lucky ones who do get a council home to increase. Not saying it's right btw just explaining the cause of the hatred

If you being jealous is the "cause of the hatred" why are you not writing similarly hateful posts about people born rich, the royals, or those living in massive houses mortgage free even though they only work as hard or less hard than others?

MrsSlocombesCat · 18/12/2023 21:51

OllyBJolly · 17/12/2023 17:15

I don't think people understand how social housing works (and doesn't).

I grew up in a council flat. All my friends did until we moved to a new town where there were some people in what we called "bought houses."

When I left school, the process was you signed on at the housing. If you waited long enough (and were happy to remain in the town), you were allocated a council flat. If you didn't, you saved for a deposit and bought somewhere. No need to be unemployed, destitute, low paid. There was no stigma. Wait a year or so and you got your first home.

In my view, this is how it should work. The biggest mistake was the "right to buy" which just depleted housing stock, leading to the booming exploitative private rental market. If your situation isn't desperate enough to be eligible for social housing, you're too often at the mercy of greedy landlords with substandard properties. That's where the jealousy comes from. At least, social housing is secure, upgraded at intervals (not as frequently as many think) and rent is generally less than private renting. We need a properly run social housing sector.

I think right to buy was a good thing. The estate my grandparents lived on was really rough but after people started buying their homes they took better care of them and the estate improved significantly. The mistake was not using the money from the sale of the homes to build more houses. I think this was deliberate because it was a Tory government and we all know they hate the poor. The irony is the people are renting ex council houses to tenants who are claiming UC or HB so the government is paying rent on houses they used to own, which doesn’t sound economically efficient.

Comedycook · 18/12/2023 21:50

JenniferBooth · 18/12/2023 21:47

How old were you when this happened @Comedycook

Early twenties.. like most people still living at home just finished uni and had started working

gamerchick · 18/12/2023 21:48

roarrfeckingroar · 18/12/2023 18:36

@JenniferBooth you're in housing subsidised by the state (net contributing taxpayers). Of course people are annoyed / jealous.

Are you aware how thick it makes a person sound to come out with that stuff?

SH is not subsidised. People like to trott out that line but can't say how it is exactly.

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JenniferBooth · 18/12/2023 21:47

How old were you when this happened @Comedycook

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AllIsWellish · 18/12/2023 21:47

I'm pretty sure I'd have had to go into a hostel for a while if it wasn't for having a child with a disability . Neither are particularly great options imo

Holiday224 · 18/12/2023 21:42

VeronicaSawyer89 · 18/12/2023 21:35

So because life has been shit for you everyone else must suffer too? Isn't this where the villains in superhero movies start?

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Gosh if we are going down the I had a hard life route my post would be endless. I would probably still be non deserving of SH.

Samcro · 18/12/2023 21:41

roarrfeckingroar · 18/12/2023 18:36

@JenniferBooth you're in housing subsidised by the state (net contributing taxpayers). Of course people are annoyed / jealous.

I love the thought that people might be jealous of me.
we live in SH. Have an old tenancy. So are very secure.
all we had to do to get it was to have a severely disabled child. Who uses a wheelchair and will need 24/7 care for their life.
easy
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Comedycook · 18/12/2023 21:39

VeronicaSawyer89 · 18/12/2023 21:35

So because life has been shit for you everyone else must suffer too? Isn't this where the villains in superhero movies start?

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Im saying the rhetoric around it is fucked up. You called me privileged...what's privileged about losing your home and you parent in one swoop. I bet if a social housing tenant was made to leave a property after a bereavement, even if given a new one, you'd be overflowing with sympathy and saying how awful it is.

AllIsWellish · 18/12/2023 21:38

There's all kinds of bitter going on in this thread

Jf20 · 18/12/2023 21:35

I think it is jealousy from low income families who can’t afford or struggle with their private rent or can’t afford to buy and really want a council house. I’m not sure it’s jealousy from other quarters. I grew up in a council house, it anything folks were jealous of those who coulf afford to buy larger properties.

VeronicaSawyer89 · 18/12/2023 21:35

Comedycook · 18/12/2023 21:20

Yes so privileged to lose my remaining parent in my early twenties...my other died when I was a child. Then I lost the only home I'd known....oh and the estate agent came round the morning after my dad died. Yeah so fucking privileged. But yay for the social housing tenant who gets to stay in their family home which none of them even own.

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So because life has been shit for you everyone else must suffer too? Isn't this where the villains in superhero movies start?

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JenniferBooth · 18/12/2023 21:35

@Comedycook It IS fucked up So publicise it Social media has been there for long enough.

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NearlyMonday · 18/12/2023 21:34

The biggest mistake was the "right to buy" which just depleted housing stock, leading to the booming exploitative private rental market.

So true

Comedycook · 18/12/2023 21:33

JenniferBooth · 18/12/2023 21:26

Most people who have gone through an awful tragedy like that (and it is horrific) would not wish the same homelessness to happen for the same reason to others just because they are social housing tenants. You come across as the opposite though

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But when social housing tenants die and their tenancy is passed on, apparently that is great, afteral it's their family home and there's an emotional connection to it and how could they possibly be expected to live anywhere else. Meanwhile someone can own their own property and their family is turfed out so the government can take a share and they are apparently incredibly privileged. How fucked up is that?

Twoshoesnewshoes · 18/12/2023 21:31

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JenniferBooth · Today 20:10

Yeah i guess delivering middle class people their shit during the lockdowns doesnt count.
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Or cleaning their houses or looking after their kids in nursery or all the other jobs they do that make their high flying jobs possible.

wow
i’m staggered by this comment.
do you really honestly believe that everyone on a lower wage is in SH and everyone who isn’t is wealthy? The point that we’re making here is that there is not enough SH for those who need it, let alone those who would like it.
I earned minimum wage for years and rented. I have cleaned people’s houses and looked after their kids - where’s my cheap housing then??

Wassupppp · 18/12/2023 21:30

I'm bitter about some HA tenants, particularly my neighbours who are long standing tenants, in a lovely 3 bed semi (just the two of them) and who spend a month each spring and a month each September in their property in Spain..... How lovely that they have limited maintenance costs on their property, pay below market rate rents, are in a secure tenancy and presumably those savings have afforded them the abilty to buy a property abroad.

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JenniferBooth · 18/12/2023 21:26

Comedycook · 18/12/2023 21:20

Yes so privileged to lose my remaining parent in my early twenties...my other died when I was a child. Then I lost the only home I'd known....oh and the estate agent came round the morning after my dad died. Yeah so fucking privileged. But yay for the social housing tenant who gets to stay in their family home which none of them even own.

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Most people who have gone through an awful tragedy like that (and it is horrific) would not wish the same homelessness to happen for the same reason to others just because they are social housing tenants. You come across as the opposite though

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JenniferBooth · 18/12/2023 21:24

Comedycook · 18/12/2023 20:30

Because of course, anyone who lives in private rented accommodation or owns is extremely rich and works in a high flying job 🙄

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Nobody said that This is just pure obfuscation. Because private tenants dont get the hate that SH tenants get

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Comedycook · 18/12/2023 21:20

VeronicaSawyer89 · 18/12/2023 21:09

So, you're privileged enough to inherit enough money to have to pay inheritance tax. How utterly awful for you. Would you like us to have a whip round for you?

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Yes so privileged to lose my remaining parent in my early twenties...my other died when I was a child. Then I lost the only home I'd known....oh and the estate agent came round the morning after my dad died. Yeah so fucking privileged. But yay for the social housing tenant who gets to stay in their family home which none of them even own.