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OFFICIAL MNHQ THREAD on posts about suicide, troll-hunting and related matters

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RowanMumsnet · 23/10/2014 10:10

Hello

There have been so many threads about this over the past few days, and so many divergent points of view - and so much upset - that we'd really like to have the discussion in one place rather than in many different threads all over the boards.

For those who haven't heard yet: we are actively reviewing our policy about threads regarding suicidal feelings and suicidal intent. We are seeking expert input from outside organisations including the Samaritans. Once we have that we will come back and have a further discussion with MNers about the way forward.

We'll be here to talk on the thread throughout the day, but do please note that we WILL delete troll-hunting posts for all the obvious reasons. So PLEASE do not use this thread to make insinuations about identifiable posters - keep it general please.

Re: Wombat: we understand that some reporters had concerns, but at the same time this poster had been around for years with a very consistent posting history. We absolutely do not have any concrete reason to disbelieve her. However, her thread had been immensely upsetting and triggering for many users, and has prompted a site-wide discussion about how we handle these threads. Once her husband had posted that she was at home with him and under the care of RL professionals it really seemed best all round to delete the thread.

We contacted Wombat at the time to explain our deletion and we still feel that for many very good reasons this is best sorted out off-board between us and her; we've asked her again to reply to our email and we will happily take it from there.

We also think that this whole case is a very good illustration of why we have no-trollhunting rules. We understand that some of you find them frustrating, but for every correct troll-call, there's an incorrect one. Being called a troll in public when you're giving an honest account of deeply upsetting real-life circumstances can be devastating for people.

Equally, we do 'get' that there are a lot posters and threads at the moment that seem deeply suspicious. We are on the front foot with this and have been being pretty pro-active at closing things down when they are reported to us and when we can see that things aren't adding up, particularly if they are new users.

So we need you to keep reporting and NOT break troll-hunting rules on the boards unless MNHQ itself has said publicly that we are confident that someone was a deliberate trouble-maker.

The namechange/sock-puppeting thing is extremely easy for us to spot when it's reported. It's not a judgement call - it's black and white and it's the work of a moment for us to spot it and deal with it.

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Maryz · 23/10/2014 17:11

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RowanMumsnet · 23/10/2014 17:09

Generally speaking, we like anonymity on MN and we think it's a good thing and allows MNers to talk about (and get support/advice on) all sorts of things they'd be very reluctant to discuss otherwise.

And while we completely accept that lots of you are really concerned about what you perceive to be a problem with sockpuppeting and namechanging, in all honesty behind the scenes we don't see a lot of that. It's easy to just get a new registration and start up an entirely new account, and that's what determined trouble-makers tend to do in our experience.

We do have some tools to frustrate this process, but - like every single other site on the internet that allows people to sign up and post - there's no surefire way of stopping people doing it if they're really determined. and it seems some of them are

But please DO report people you suspect of NCing to cause trouble or to start nasty threads with impunity because we are happy to suspend people's NCing ability if we think they're doing that.

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Lweji · 23/10/2014 17:09

NN changing, but keeping the total number of posts, would allow privacy while showing when someone has been here for a long time.

MrsVamoOOOOOOOOOOs · 23/10/2014 17:07

I don't think nn changing will go.

Post count while not perfect, far less upsetting.

MrsVamoOOOOOOOOOOs · 23/10/2014 17:05

Maryz, lovely.

Mine would be scarily low, I expect, except for tennis season and the 'c' word.

Then I think other mnetters would wonder if I ever do anything all day Summer and Winter. Grin

ElliotLovesGrub · 23/10/2014 17:05

Name changing being taken away would close off yet another forum for those of us with stalker exes etc. who have to name change often to remain anonymous.

Momagain1 · 23/10/2014 17:05

MaryZ

I'm also a bit pissed off at the assumption that anyone who doubts any op at all about any detail is a troll-hunter and a bully

Not that anyone who doubts any OP is a troll-hunter and a bully. Just those who feel the need to call the OP out as a troll, or post that they have reported for trolling, or get themselves into on-going arguments with the OP/other posters ripping apart the details in an attempt to prove themselves right? Save the naive? I am not sure what the point is.

Asking for clarification is reasonable, though make sure it isnt yourself mis-reading or having missed the explainer. If you feel the clarification is more obfuscation and proof of troll, report, then continue to watch quietly, or leave. Continuing to challenge IS bullying and/or troll feeding, depending on if the OP was actually sincere, or a troll.

MrsVamoOOOOOOOOOOs · 23/10/2014 17:02

Yes, but Worra if you are here often enough you get to know who the silly goady people are, and goady titles etc.

The answer always is, don't click on the thread. Smile

PossumPoo · 23/10/2014 17:02

Yes I read you don't like nc worra and I'm saying its one thing about mn I like. I think it might limit how open some poster's would be.

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PossumPoo · 23/10/2014 16:59

temp it's in the first few pages but trolls are goady fuckers and sock puppets change names to support or argue against themselves on their own thread. Basically poster's with waay too much time on their hands Smile

Maryz · 23/10/2014 16:58

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MrsVamoOOOOOOOOOOs · 23/10/2014 16:58

Rowan

Could a new area be created, a bit like the other lesser known area ? Wink

So you could pm the poster and refer to that area, and other mn'ers don't see it ?

WorraLiberty · 23/10/2014 16:57

Post counts won't stop the goady/trolling threads though.

And I have to disagree, I think name changing is regularly abused.

I've lost count of how many people have done it, just to state and unpopular opinion or start a controversial thread, that's kicked off a huge bun fight.

PossumPoo · 23/10/2014 16:57

So MN becomes more like RL one name, one nn? Hmm

I personally think that limiting the amount of nc is not good. I've had my current name for a while but if I feel like I've put too much out there I like to know there's an option to go more invisible.

I have a couple of nn too. Why are people getting hung up on an anonymous forum actually being anonymous?

MN please dont change too much.

I don't want to have to announce I'm going to flounce when no one would actually give a shit!

temporaryusername · 23/10/2014 16:57

Sorry to 'interrupt' but could someone explain what troll hunting and sock puppeting are? Blush

I haven't noticed any trolls, I must be very gullible.

Modestine · 23/10/2014 16:57

While we're talking about where to put threads, this:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/2213835-Mn-hq-cant-we-just-have-a-topic-for-people-to-try-out-the-plot-lines-for-their-novels

looks like a good idea. Then people could moan about someone posting in the wrong topic rather than calling troll - if they believe it is some wannabe novelist whiling away their idle time on MN. (good luck to them with that)

RowanMumsnet · 23/10/2014 16:56

@Lweji

At the moment you'd still be able to somewhat check a pps history.

My username and Mumsnet has yielded over 3000 records on a Google search! Shock

Oh yes, good point...

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MrsVamoOOOOOOOOOOs · 23/10/2014 16:55

I don't think only allowing a set number of nn's will work.

Its always been a part of mn, that mostly isn't abused.

Would we lose seasonal nn's if that happened ? Shock

I'd be happy with a post count next to nn.

Lweji · 23/10/2014 16:55

As for suicide threads, maybe divert them instead to Samaritans?

WorraLiberty · 23/10/2014 16:54

Don't admit you're going to print the thread out or we'll just fill it up with random photos Grin

OFFICIAL MNHQ THREAD on posts about suicide, troll-hunting and related matters
Lweji · 23/10/2014 16:54

At the moment you'd still be able to somewhat check a pps history.

My username and Mumsnet has yielded over 3000 records on a Google search! Shock

RowanMumsnet · 23/10/2014 16:53

@ElliotLovesGrub

Isn't there somewhere else the suicide threads could be moved to rather than mental health? It's going to make that section harder to use for people who might not want to be thinking about suicide.

This was the solution we hammered out last time with users - what do other people think?

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RowanMumsnet · 23/10/2014 16:52

Really need to correct the impression that MNHQ knocks off at 5pm. We keep going, seven days a week, until very late indeed.

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RowanMumsnet · 23/10/2014 16:50

@WorraLiberty

Would it be impossible (techy wise), to allow everyone just one name change, but the history never gets logged in that NN?

That way we could have one NN for general board usage/chit chat and one for posting anything personal/where we don't want to be identified?

That way posters will become familiar but no-one can nose through their posting history, and there's no need for the constant name changing.

That's radical Grin thanks Worra

BTW if we've haven't specifically acknowledged your suggestion, it's not that we're ignoring it or think it's not good. We will be sitting down with printouts of this and the other threads and we will go through all the suggestions.

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