Flooding of state schools by ex indie students fails to materialise

my point is the VAT raid is pure ideological

evil bridget will go after grammars after she finished with academies

grammar schools are not needed, all comps should have a grammar scream that you can enter at any age group

grammars kick kids out of their school if they are struggling academically, private schools dont

but overall it will get much harder to get into grammars and top performing state schools

we actually saw this at during covid when many private school kids took grammar places.

it is child abuse to force kids out of their private schools back into comps they could not cope in

Child abuse?

I’m out. Bye.

This isn’t a race to the bottom.

Some parents don’t buy bookshelves full of books to read alongside their children. Does it mean I won’t? No.

Some parents don’t buy musical instruments and tuition for their children. Does it mean I won’t? No.

Some parents don’t pay for swimming lessons. Does it mean I won’t? No.

Some parents don’t feed their children three healthy meals every day. Does it mean I won’t? No.

Some parents don’t take their children on holidays. Does it mean I won’t? No.

I agree that charging VAT will send more private pupils into the grammar system, and I fundamentally disagree with charging VAT on education. I believe in grammar schools for the bright children whose parents cannot afford an exclusive education.

What’s your point?

there was a alex cartoon, saying he welcomed VAT on education as it stopped the riff raff from going to private schools and it showed others that you were rich if you could still afford it

labour is making private schools even more elite

the issue is for kids who cant cope in comps, forced to go private and many are forced now back into state

this is child abuse

being in the catchment area means you dont have to be ranked like those outside the catchment area

those parents who would have gone private will now tutor harder and get their kids into the grammar places

it is going to become harder and harder to get into a grammar as the average score goes higher and higher

tutoring is not just tutoring it is available to the few

you are just saying that to make your self feel better

many of those pupils who cant afford grammars had bursaries , but much less now

you are missing the fact that by forcing kids out of private schools this will make it harder for state school kids to get into grammars and the best state schools

please explain how this helps state school kids ?

Bring in catchment doesn’t mean you get a place. Top scores get places, regardless of parental income.

Tutoring is tutoring, regardless of whether it’s in primary school, GCSEs, or A-Levels…parents can choose whether they hire tutors. Tutoring exists in non-11+ counties.

Many pupils who go to grammar can’t afford private schools.

dont worry the NEU will strike again. At least when the NEU is on strike the state school teachers cant indoctrinate your children in gender ideology, critical race theory, marxism and hatred of the west

evil Bridget cancel latin funding in state schools mid year. cuts advanced maths

it is pure statistical spin by evil bridget philipson. of course it is planted in the guardian

I wonder if there are any stats available on the number of applicants at the top performing private schools vs the low performing private schools. I can well image that the top performing private schools have seen an increase in number of applicants whilst the private schools with results comparable to state school have seen a fall in applicants.

for the size of the school intakes 13,000 is not a huge number but 13,000 kids have left the school of their choice and then other are not starting

grammars are getting harder to get in as well as the best state schools

no it isnt it based upon how much money the parents can spend on private tutoring, be aware that tutoring is needed and or being able to move within the catchment area of the grammar

Yes, they should be more selective—entrance is based on the child’s ability, rather than on how deep the parents’ pockets are.

It is based on fact. The evidence is that applications to state schools have not gone up significantly this year. However, as per my first post on this thread, that doesn't really tell us anything. Many parents intending to send their children to independent schools also applied for state schools to give themselves a backup, so I wouldn't have expected a huge increase in applications even if people are abandoning independent schools. The number how actually start in September will be a better indicator.

grammars are more selective and unfair than private schools

that is moving houses to get into grammar schools or top state schools

because it is a story / gov spin not fact !

We were offered our 4th choice school and they are refusing to accommodate my child’s medical needs. On continuing interest for 3 schools and 22nd place on waiting list for semi-selective. Not great situation to be honest.
There are many private schools near us, but I don’t think they have even announced the 25/26 fees yet.

The electorate don't care about many things including some of Labour's anti growth policies. But that doesn't mean they still won't care when it hits something like welfare cuts.

Labour have got it wrong and those at the welfare end will feel it.

Not necessarily new places, they're just trying to lure those who'd otherwise go to Highgate, SHHS, USC etc. We applied both to Alleyns and Hampstead schools so they know their customer base. Some families are not very keen on single sex schools, and only Highgate is co-ed in that area (NBH is not in the same league).

I'd say it's more a sign of increasing competition between schools rather than expanding the number of places.

Our former school used to attract 10+ applications per place, they very rarely had occasional places, only when families moved abroad, and those places were filled in quickly. Now they have a few places in most year groups. They are still academically selective and I don't know what they are going to do. They can't accept whoever comes as that would damage academic league tables and will in turn lead to falling number of applications.

“I also don't think the majority of the electorate care about this policy but you can disagree.”

I think most of us who oppose this policy would agree that the majority of the electorate either don’t care/don’t think this affects them or think the policy is a good thing.

Our point is they should care, because in one way or another it will affect many of them (not the doomsday scenarios predicted by some, but at the very least as part of the bigger picture of Labour royally screwing things up.)

And that on no objective analysis is the policy a good thing; there are unlikely to be any tangible benefits and certainly not those that have been used by Labour to justify it.

Oh but lots of MN posters absolutely hate academies too? So it's yet another popular policy for the electorate.

I believe the junior section will be only Years 3-6, allowing them to become an all-through again. It's not clear whether they'll end up moving some students from those years at the Regent's Park school. And I suspect that, if they are creating net new places, the viability was helped by the closure of two of their direct competitors this summer.

If there is a reduction in demand for private school places, it's unlikely that all schools will suffer equally. It's more likely that the weaker schools or schools lower on the hierarchy suffer disproportionately while the stronger schools are much less affected or even see their demand increase if weaker schools shut down completely rather than merely shrink. I also suspect that Cognita are doing what they think is necessary to move their schools closer to the top of the hierarchy.