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Tell me we haven't lost the plot to be turning down a grammar place for DS

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LegsBenedict · 16/04/2015 17:30

I posted about this back in October here. DS unexpectedly passed the 11+ but didn't want to go to the grammar school in the next city (and county - ours is a non-grammar county) and I was umming and ahhing about whether or not to put it on his secondary application form. I did in the end, but not as our first choice.

After I posted, we visited a superb comprehensive in another city in the opposite direction, on a whim, and both felt it was our absolute favourite, a brilliant fit for DS - academic, super results, amazing sports, etc. So we put it on the form as DS's first choice. It's massively oversubscribed and he didn't get a place (he's way down the waiting list). Cue mega disappointment, as we felt this was the perfect option between the grammar he didn't want to go to, and a nearby comprehensive I was finding a bit underwhelming.

In the end, the place he got offered was at the nearby small rural comp. It achieves average/slightly better than average results, is "good" according to Ofsted, and has a value added score in the high 900s (could be worse - but not a patch on the super comp he missed out on). Lots of kids in its catchment go private or to further-away grammar schools/comps, so I question how well placed that leaves it to support kids working at high levels. It's never over-subscribed. But still, DS has got comfortable with the idea of going to this comp. Most of his class mates are going, and they're nice kids.

Two days ago, unexpectedly, DS was offered a place at the grammar - he'd remained on the waiting list and a space has become available by a whisker. We've talked a lot, and DS still doesn't want to go, for a host of valid reasons (it's single-sex, heavily religious, is difficult to get to, has a claustrophobic and tired campus, he knows no one there, etc). It would be difficult for us logistically - I honestly don't know how I'd make the grammar work with transport/work/DS being able to participate fully in after-school clubs (he wouldn't be able to). Also, the grammar's value added score is no better than the comp's ... and yet I still feel like we'd be passing up a coveted opportunity by turning it down.

DS has a good work ethic and is a pretty sensible, balanced lad - people are telling me he'll do well anywhere. And the comp should, in theory, be able to support DS to achieve at the same level as the grammar. In theory. I have to let the grammar know by tomorrow if we want the place - and I feel whatever decision we go for will be wrong in some way. And if I insist on the grammar, I think DS's trust in me would plummet, where his thoughts and feelings have factored into this process so much until now.

Any words of wisdom? Anyone else gone for an OK comprehensive over a grammar, whether by choice or circumstance, and it's worked out well for their DC? I guess there's still the outside chance DS will be offered a place eventually at the other (super) comp.

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serendipity200 · 16/04/2015 18:06

Friends of ours did just this 7 years ago against everyone's advice including their primary school governors. Their Dd has been offered a place at Oxford, scholarships at two other Russell Groups. The school she is at qualifies for contexual offers, not that she will need them. So if your boy is happy with his choice then I would go with that. He can always reapply to sixth form at the grammar if he feels so inclined in the future.

Namehanger · 16/04/2015 18:06

My son ended up with a tough commute to an independent school. As it happened it didn't work for him so we moved school.

If the school is great and they are happy then they make the commute work. If not happy then it is torture. Unfortunately it is only with hindsight that you know which!

I think listen to your gut. Grammar schools are just schools with some clever kids, they don't have the monopoly on clever kids and your son's future is not devastated because you didn't ignore/ pressurise your son and put you all through unnecessary stress.

My kids now both have a stupid long day BUT THEY WANT TO BE THERE AND ARE HAPPY. We are put out lots by this, but seeing happy kids makes it worthwhile.

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LegsBenedict · 16/04/2015 17:56

Thanks for the posts. Laurie, that's an encouraging perspective. Dusting, the thing is that it's not just about the comp being nearby - it's a simple 10-minute drive or a half-hour bus from the next village, which helps, yes. Because we're out of catchment and county for the grammar, there's no organised transport from around here. I think two other kids might go from our village, but I don't know them. I think the mum of one of them is SAHM so can support her DS with travel, etc, much better than I could mine. I'd need to drive DS to a station, he'd have to get the train, and then do a biggish walk. I work (in the opposite direction), and I'm not with DS's dad, who doesn't pay any maintenance at the moment to help with costs, and wouldn't be able to help much with logistics. So it is a significant consideration. But I agree that had DS got his first choice of school, which is so good that it gets referred to as a "grammar that's not a grammar", I wouldn't be agonising over this. Sigh.

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CoffeeBeanie · 16/04/2015 17:49

I do think you are a bit mad, yes.

But then both teenage dc are at grammars, single sex, religious, knackered campus, very academic - and they are both thriving.
They didn't know anyone there and had got new friends within weeks.

Have you already turned the place down?

Why not visit the schools again? I'm sure they would accommodate you as the offer has just been made.

DustingOffTheDynastySuit · 16/04/2015 17:40

Honestly? Yes I think you are a bit mad, if you think your DS is 'grammar school material', and he's been offered the place, not to take it up in favour of anything other than an exemplary secondary school. But that's just me, and totally appreciate not everyone would feel the same.

if your DS had a place at his first choice secondary then it would make complete sense to turn down the grammar, but if you have the choice, to go to a less than ideal school just 'cos it's the nearest, and his friends (at 10yo) are going.. then personally I wouldn't.

What about trying hte grammar for a year? If he still hates it, it sounds like it wouldn't be a drama to transfer back to your local comp.

LaurieFairyCake · 16/04/2015 17:33

If your child is self motivated and you are supportive of his education and are prepared to engage with supporting him outside school then the comp is absolutely the best place for him.

You've made a great choice Smile and yes it's a shame he couldn't get into the one far away