Suella Braverman a disgrace to humanity

Indians are English?

Are Indians worldwide 200 different ethnicities depending on which country they have landed in?

Does the same work for English people, are the English 200 different ethnicities depending on whichever country they go to?

Is an Indian born in England English if they move to India?

Why is English the only ethnicity that is simply an identity for anyone from anywhere in the world?

Well @quantumbutterfly - AI think he wants to come back as a Tory who unites the party with Reform. Rather apt to this discussion no? Given the stand down between Suella and Kemi, and the ideological rift on some of the discussed issues. Perhaps he will take a stand on the matter, who knows, and submit his position “per accidens” or was it “fortuito”. I never had him down as a diplomat, you know.

So why are we being bullied into pretending everyone is English?

Your guess is as good as mine, if not better, I expect 'Araminta'.

@quantumbutterfly - out of interest, when is old Jacob planning his political comeback? Do you know?

SB is more eloquent on paper than in person (see her on triggernometry vs her letter to Rishi).
She's very smart but not confident, (better than being overconfident but not smart).
The people who call her a coconut because she doesn't think the way they do are part of the thinkless masses, not even aware of their own hypocrisy.
What I do believe is that the seemingly intractible problems faced in the UK sphere of influence require intellectual solutions.

She can say British Asian and be clever. I’m really not sure why she is getting this in particular. The Andi Peters thread was pretty much unanimous in supporting him, pretty much no one demanded he answer, or that he said the wrong thing about his own identity, or was racist for not saying what other people wanted him to say, or wasn’t very bright.

Look to the questioner eg Fiona Bruce QT for why she thought it was ok. Not the person in the unnecessary spotlight.

“You just seem too opinionated on how people can or can't identify.
If someone identifies as British Asian, so what? That's how they feel and no, it doesn't need to be time stamped.”

@Twiglets1 - I am simply pointing out the fact that in recent years, there a lot more people who have arrived from Asia, including China, Hong Kong, Philippines etc

Of course she is not the brightest cookie in the room. Apparently Reform are all out on gaining votes via social media etc and amongst the young. You would think someone would first actually bother talking to the young first on simple matters such as identity and how things have changed in the last 40 years. I mean if you want to portray yourself as the party to reform the old guard and do things differently, one would assume you would start with the young and what they actually think and believe in.

It’s very hard for someone to be singled out over how they look to answer without some emotion. SB did well, as did Andi P. The follow up from FB accusing SB of being racist for her own self identity was typical QT insanity.

All this has just made me glad QT viewing figures have plummeted, what a load of rubbish.

QT can be a bit of a wind up, though it is interesting to see if panellists answer emotively or intellectually. ( Sadiq Khan was completely out of his depth intellectually ).
I remember one episode where Dimbleby tried to skewer Rees Mogg as elitist by talking of his Eton education, and Rees Mogg pointed out that Dimbleby had sent his son there.
I watched some of the recent Andy Burnham one - micro-expressions galore.
If you want to see someone thinking on the spot it's informative.

You just seem too opinionated on how people can or can't identify.

If someone identifies as British Asian, so what? That's how they feel and no, it doesn't need to be time stamped.

I’m sure. ‘Not very bright’ for someone put under the spotlight over their identity when no one else is is just more abuse piling up frankly.

You don’t like her politics, you don’t need to add to what female politicians face just for giving an answer to a direct, and unnecessary, question on her identity.

No one needs to be singled out for whatever reason and hats off to her for putting up with the accusation FB which followed, it’s typical QT nonsense.

I’m not talking about that. I don’t know about that and can’t be bothered to research it to have an opinion

Seriously I never said said. And that’s the op’s language and opinion not mine.

This getting boring people inventing nonsense. In this particular she knew what she was doing and if she didn’t then she’s not very bright.

Do you think it was ok for Miriam Margoyles to ask Andi Peters about his identity and do you think it’s ok for Fiona Bruce to ask Suella B?

Both ok? Both not.. or just one.

There's that, but there's also the stereotypes applied to people of Asian origin, to Jews, to people of Afro- Caribbean origin. It's all stupid and abhorrent, one is not better or worse than another.

What are you talking about..

So answering a direct and personal question put to you in an interview is stoking hate and division, but calling someone a disgrace to humanity is better?

I would love to not be on the same side as some racists on this particular question, but accepting many of the arguments of the other side here would require me to drop about 80 IQ points first.

Ethnicity and nationality are entirely different. You can be a British Asian and English.
Braverman is both a racist and unintelligent in her arguments.
Her only response was “am I being racist to myself?” to which the answer is, “possibly but your thinking is so incoherent it would be difficult for anyone to know”.

No that’s not what I’ve said..

Fiona Bruce type questions. If you think she’s fine to do it and do the same perhaps stop.

How is asking if you understand something a personal question? How odd? I’m not asking for your IQ

Right so it was her fault for being asked the question. It’s the same as Margoyles asking Andi Peters.

In that case he wasn’t the guest on the show so had producers helping him rightly shut it down.

Much harder if it’s Fiona Bruce doing it.

I’ve just answered it for you…what’s wrong is stoking hate and division I don’t care who you are