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Home Secretary criticises migrant landings as unacceptable

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Schlossadler · 23/09/2026 19:18

Home secretary hits out at 'unacceptable' migrant landings.

Shabana Mahmood told Border Security Command to carry out the review after vessels came ashore at Samphire Hoe, between Dover and Folkestone, on Tuesday, and near Folkestone on Monday.

Twenty-one people were detained on Tuesday after the arrival at Samphire Hoe.
Five people were also detained on Monday, after the uncontrolled landing near Folkestone, the first undetected landing for a year. The Home Office has not said whether more people are being sought.

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hattie43 · Today 06:24

5MinuteArgument · 25/09/2026 18:53

I don't believe a word Shabana Mahmood says. I don't believe she wants to reduce the level of illegal immigration into the UK. If she did she'd reduce the pull factors. Reduce the acceptance rate for granting LTR (UK grants double the rate of LTR as France). Stop funding the activist lawyers. Reduce the number of appeals allowed. Offshore processing.

It's all smoke and mirrors designed to fool us that they're taking a tough line when that's totally not the case.

Agreed .

swimsong · Today 03:43

Mouldemort · Yesterday 14:25

The Tories must be super globalists then, because net migration was vastly higher under the Tories.

People banging on about 'globalism' haven't got a clue what their talking about - it's Qanon adjacent nonsense. Capitalist globalisation is a thing, globalism isn't.

RichPetuniaAgain · Today 03:32

I don't know how many times we have to say we are sick of it. Both sick and scared. And nobody in government really appears to care because they don't live in 'ordinary' life. The fabric of society is changing and not in a good way. I mean how many bloody attacks happen and yet the boats are still allowed to land? WTAF is going on? British women (because it's always women the vast majority of the time) have now been raped, attacked and killed, but hey, it's ok because we'll deal with perpetrators after the fact.
The way things are heading, there's going to be massive civil unrest, and the government have only themselves to blame.

RedTagAlan · Today 02:53

Mouldemort · Yesterday 18:37

I did not say the number of asylum seekers had gone down, I said the annual number has decreased. You are inferring causation where I didn’t suggest any. Net migration (a much larger figure) has decreased as a result of government policy.

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Quote " Net migration (a much larger figure) has decreased as a result of government policy."

I am not sure that can be said. Not the government policy part I mean. Because there was a big jump in the recorded number of people leaving the UK, but that was because the ONS changed how they measure migration. Because now they check tax and NI records, whereas before they had people with clipboards at airports doing surveys.

And when that jump happened, I remember people were all over it, saying " See how all the wealthy people are leaving because of Labour". But they could show no evidence for that.

Immigration the government can measure, because Government do the Visas. Emigration will take a while for the data to have statistical meaning because of the change in method, but also, the Government can't really know why people are leaving, because there is no exit paperwork. The paperwork is at the other end, where the emigrant becomes a migrant.

And that is before dual nationals are considered, because they have no paperwork at all at either end.

Also this thing of "self deportations" that Trump brags about. How does he know ? Because people come and go for various reasons, but Government have no way of knowing why, for the vast majority of cases anyway. It is common for migrant families to work where they can earn best, get their savings, then return home. And its is the same with "expats" from richer nations. Work abroad, retire back to country of origin.

5MinuteArgument · Yesterday 21:47

Supersimkin7 · Yesterday 19:52

Social unrest really ought to give the Govt the hint they’re asking for trouble. And getting Reform voted in.

You would hope so. But I fear the government's solution is to clamp down on free speech and fast track protesters into prison, where space has been cleared for hem by early release of domestic abusers.

I think the government is scared but their response is to clamp down and arrest people instead of addressing their legitimate concerns.

Supersimkin7 · Yesterday 19:52

Social unrest really ought to give the Govt the hint they’re asking for trouble. And getting Reform voted in.

DangerQuakeRhinoSnake · Yesterday 19:33

Wish I could emigrate but I'm too old.

Mouldemort · Yesterday 18:37

EEexpat · Yesterday 15:09

@Mouldemort

The annual number of asylum seekers has decreased since Labour got into power.

Is that due to Labour being in power, or that fewer people are arriving in Calais? As per the Oxford Migration Observatory, the number of people entering the EU declined by 26% in 2025 and a further 37% in the first half of 2026.

So, by definition, fewer people arriving in Calais will result in fewer boat crossings. Take a look at:

Broader EU Declines: The <a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&rct=j&url=migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/commentaries/qa-why-have-small-boat-arrivals-declined-in-2026/&ved=2ahUKEwjKgbv-tIyXAxWEVEEAHUThCrQQy_kOegoIAggACAAIFxAP&opi=89978449&cd&psig=AOvVaw2b3ACqiPzs_rOoCChkZMNs&ust=1790517870731000" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Oxford Migration Observatory notes that unauthorized border crossings into the EU fell by 26% in 2025 and dropped an additional 37% in the first half of 2026. Because fewer migrants are entering Europe as a whole, fewer are eventually traveling to the northern French coast. 1]

I did not say the number of asylum seekers had gone down, I said the annual number has decreased. You are inferring causation where I didn’t suggest any. Net migration (a much larger figure) has decreased as a result of government policy.

IdaGlossop · Yesterday 16:39

5MinuteArgument · Yesterday 16:27

The freedom to roam won't be removed because then the accommodation for asylum seekers would be more like a prison, ie more expensive and complicated to manage. Any assaults on locals is collateral damage.

No, things will carry on as before. The drop in numbers of asylum claims in recent years is really quite small.

Maybe the government's plans to clamp down on free speech and fast track protesters into prison will do the trick. That might be enough for the anger to be supressed while the whole racket continues unabated. It might be enough but it might not.

I agree that the current status quo is precarious. As it is posing a risk to democracy - small numbers, relatively speaking, big impact - I don't think any government would be wise to allow things to carry on as before. The rise of the right across Europe, especially in France and Germany, should be a warning to the UK.

5MinuteArgument · Yesterday 16:27

IdaGlossop · Yesterday 16:07

The Oxford Migration Observatory percentages are slightly lower than the drop for dinghies crossing. One possibility is that measures to intervene with gangs are having an impact.

The pull factors in the UK and the countries you list are considerable: housing, benefits, freedom to roam. The resentment and alarm, which is not surprising, are gathering a head of steam in the UK and empowering the right. I would be interested to see what impact removing the freedom to roam would have on arrivals, and would like this to happen. The risk is to be seen to be pandering to 'patriots' and Restore.

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The freedom to roam won't be removed because then the accommodation for asylum seekers would be more like a prison, ie more expensive and complicated to manage. Any assaults on locals is collateral damage.

No, things will carry on as before. The drop in numbers of asylum claims in recent years is really quite small.

Maybe the government's plans to clamp down on free speech and fast track protesters into prison will do the trick. That might be enough for the anger to be supressed while the whole racket continues unabated. It might be enough but it might not.

IdaGlossop · Yesterday 16:07

EEexpat · Yesterday 15:53

@IdaGlossop

As PP have outlined, the numbers are dropping quite steeply.

Is the drop not due to fewer people arriving in Calais? As per Oxford Migration Observatory, the number of unauthorised entries into the EU declined by 26% in 2025 and a further 37% in the first half of 2026.

The issue affects most other European countries, evidence that there is no easy solution.

I agree. UK ranks fifth behind, Germany, France, Spain and Italy in terms of illegal
immigration.

The Oxford Migration Observatory percentages are slightly lower than the drop for dinghies crossing. One possibility is that measures to intervene with gangs are having an impact.

The pull factors in the UK and the countries you list are considerable: housing, benefits, freedom to roam. The resentment and alarm, which is not surprising, are gathering a head of steam in the UK and empowering the right. I would be interested to see what impact removing the freedom to roam would have on arrivals, and would like this to happen. The risk is to be seen to be pandering to 'patriots' and Restore.

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EEexpat · Yesterday 15:53

@IdaGlossop

As PP have outlined, the numbers are dropping quite steeply.

Is the drop not due to fewer people arriving in Calais? As per Oxford Migration Observatory, the number of unauthorised entries into the EU declined by 26% in 2025 and a further 37% in the first half of 2026.

The issue affects most other European countries, evidence that there is no easy solution.

I agree. UK ranks fifth behind, Germany, France, Spain and Italy in terms of illegal
immigration.

IdaGlossop · Yesterday 15:19

5MinuteArgument · Yesterday 14:56

Yes, that's why it's so important for the electorate to believe that 'tough talking Mahmood' really wants to limit illegal immigration. She doesn't, nor does Burnham. If they did they would shut down the pull factors. Macron has already told us this is what we need to do and he is right.

What benefits do you think Burnham and Mahmood envisage gaining from irregular migration? And where is your evidence that they want migration to continue? As PP have outlined, the numbers are dropping quite steeply. The issue affects most other European countries, evidence that there is no easy solution.

5MinuteArgument · Yesterday 15:15

Nereidd · Yesterday 13:16

This government has neither the appetite or ability to stop it, despite their daily social media posts about how they ae combating it. Other countries have successfully solved this problem in the past, it absolutely can be done. The main thing they could do is make the UK unattractive to illegal immigrants and eliminate the pull factor - if they knew they would be securely detained in a detention centre upon arrival then either returned to their country of origin or elsewhere straight away, they wouldn't bother. Fed up of their excuses - and this will contribute to their downfall at the next GE. I think they underestimate the frustration of the electorate about this.

You are 100% correct.

The government is playing with fire with their inaction and complacency. Macron has told us what we need to do: reduce the pull factors.

But instead we get a clampdown on free speech and a fast-track of anti-migration protesters to prison (a space having been cleared for them by the early release of domestic abusers).

EEexpat · Yesterday 15:09

@Mouldemort

The annual number of asylum seekers has decreased since Labour got into power.

Is that due to Labour being in power, or that fewer people are arriving in Calais? As per the Oxford Migration Observatory, the number of people entering the EU declined by 26% in 2025 and a further 37% in the first half of 2026.

So, by definition, fewer people arriving in Calais will result in fewer boat crossings. Take a look at:

Broader EU Declines: The <a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&rct=j&url=migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/commentaries/qa-why-have-small-boat-arrivals-declined-in-2026/&ved=2ahUKEwjKgbv-tIyXAxWEVEEAHUThCrQQy_kOegoIAggACAAIFxAP&opi=89978449&cd&psig=AOvVaw2b3ACqiPzs_rOoCChkZMNs&ust=1790517870731000" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Oxford Migration Observatory notes that unauthorized border crossings into the EU fell by 26% in 2025 and dropped an additional 37% in the first half of 2026. Because fewer migrants are entering Europe as a whole, fewer are eventually traveling to the northern French coast. 1]

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https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&rct=j&url=https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/commentaries/qa-why-have-small-boat-arrivals-declined-in-2026/&ved=2ahUKEwjKgbv-tIyXAxWEVEEAHUThCrQQy_kOegoIAggACAAIFxAP&opi=89978449&cd&psig=AOvVaw2b3ACqiPzs_rOoCChkZMNs&ust=1790517870731000

5MinuteArgument · Yesterday 15:03

Mouldemort · Yesterday 14:24

The annual number of asylum seekers has decreased since Labour got into power.

Net migration has substantially decreased under Labour.

You’d never know this if you don’t look directly at the figures.

Interesting that you talk about NET migration. Yes, this has gone down under Labour, largely because so many skilled and asset rich Brits have left.

5MinuteArgument · Yesterday 15:00

Mouldemort · Yesterday 14:25

The Tories must be super globalists then, because net migration was vastly higher under the Tories.

The Tories are globalists, that's very clear. They need a never-ending stream of cheap labour for their friends in big business. Many of them are also landlords so a steady stream of tenants leading to rising rents is also to their advantage. Many Labour MPs are landlords too.

5MinuteArgument · Yesterday 14:56

IdaGlossop · Yesterday 14:29

A very rational point of view because irregular migration and its impact on communities is such a vote winner.

Yes, that's why it's so important for the electorate to believe that 'tough talking Mahmood' really wants to limit illegal immigration. She doesn't, nor does Burnham. If they did they would shut down the pull factors. Macron has already told us this is what we need to do and he is right.

IdaGlossop · Yesterday 14:29

5MinuteArgument · 25/09/2026 18:53

I don't believe a word Shabana Mahmood says. I don't believe she wants to reduce the level of illegal immigration into the UK. If she did she'd reduce the pull factors. Reduce the acceptance rate for granting LTR (UK grants double the rate of LTR as France). Stop funding the activist lawyers. Reduce the number of appeals allowed. Offshore processing.

It's all smoke and mirrors designed to fool us that they're taking a tough line when that's totally not the case.

A very rational point of view because irregular migration and its impact on communities is such a vote winner.

Mouldemort · Yesterday 14:25

5MinuteArgument · 25/09/2026 18:53

I don't believe a word Shabana Mahmood says. I don't believe she wants to reduce the level of illegal immigration into the UK. If she did she'd reduce the pull factors. Reduce the acceptance rate for granting LTR (UK grants double the rate of LTR as France). Stop funding the activist lawyers. Reduce the number of appeals allowed. Offshore processing.

It's all smoke and mirrors designed to fool us that they're taking a tough line when that's totally not the case.

The Tories must be super globalists then, because net migration was vastly higher under the Tories.

Mouldemort · Yesterday 14:24

The annual number of asylum seekers has decreased since Labour got into power.

Net migration has substantially decreased under Labour.

You’d never know this if you don’t look directly at the figures.

RedTagAlan · Yesterday 14:17

chirrupybird · Yesterday 14:08

The trouble is the pull factors are often that they have relatives here or speak the language, they could live equally well in most countries in Western Europe, and many do.

That makes no sense. If someone speaks English as a second language and havefamily in Bristol, why would they be able to live equally well in Germany, where they speak German, and are lacking the persons family ?

chirrupybird · Yesterday 14:08

5MinuteArgument · 25/09/2026 20:43

Labour are globalists at heart, especially the left wing in the Labour Party, who Mahmood and Burnham have to appease in order to stay in their jobs.

Also Labour have an incentive to bring people in as once they're granted LTR, they're likely to be loyal voters for Labour who have provided them with food, clothes, accommodation, healthcare education, access to doctors and dentists etc etc.

I think if there was a political will to really cut down on these illegal crossings, it would happen. In particular they would clamp down on the pull factors. The fact that they don't, leads me to believe the political will is lacking.

The trouble is the pull factors are often that they have relatives here or speak the language, they could live equally well in most countries in Western Europe, and many do.

EEexpat · Yesterday 13:26

@Nereidd

The main thing they could do is make the UK unattractive to illegal immigrants and eliminate the pull factor

The French president, Macron, has said the same.

EEexpat · Yesterday 13:22

@RedTagAlan

Home grown manufacturing as opposed to reliance on cheap imports and cheap labour I think was the idea. Whilst at the same time scrapping net zero to reduce energy costs.

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