Channel 4 undercover re Farage

I don't think the original delay related to the protestors. He said he was advised by the police- but they denied that.
You seriously think they spent 20 minutes after a warning of a safety concern of some kind, writing him lines to use with hecklers?
Ok
So any planning for a large gathering like that it has a risk.assesdment which defines roles. This is a health and safety requirement. And included in that would be what happens in the eventuality of heckling. And it's not going to include winding the crowd up.
Running a political conference is a serious responsibility.

Well, I suppose they can afford to pay someone to do the ppts now. Instead of "the bloke down the pub".

Hey, I am not being " blokedownthepubist" here. There is absolutely nowt wrong with keen activists being involved.

I just wonder if Farage will sort out a discount for them after his mates have bought all the pubs and done their corporate reorganizations of them.

@DuncinToffee

Now why is it so difficult for a seasoned politician as Farage to properly declare donations, especially as it is as simple as filling in a piece of paper

Is answered by your earlier post:

Small boats have nothing to do with Reform's donations and failure to declare/scrutinise them.

@Warmlight1

Care to enlighten us how you know - that someone gave Nigel Farage / reform donations in Saudi Arabia with no strings attached at all

It comes from the UK legal definition of donation which has already been posted

It's a UK dictionary and these have come from international sources.
So where would the word donation even come from?
If they threw him.a party- would they think it was a donation?
He's supposed to declare it and didn't. That makes it automatically Sus.

Quote " If they threw him.a party- would they think it was a donation?
He's supposed to declare it and didn't. That makes it automatically Sus.

I just loked it up. And the answer is yes. It's a donation and needs to be declared if over 500 quid.

"Under PPERA, a donation is money, goods or services given to a party without charge or on non-commercial terms, with a value of over £500. Some examples of donations include: a gift of money or property sponsorship of an event or publication subscription or affiliation payments free or specially discounted use of an office"

Source

Political party donations and loans in Great Britain (electoralcommission.org.uk)

I think you are fine if your local party club does a prize bingo in a bowling club. So long as it's not over 500 quid. Would a fundraiser in Dubai or wherever raise less than 500 quid ? I suspect not.

Edit to add.

Then again, maybe they threw the Reform party at one of the migrant camps. That might get less than 500 quid in the hat.

I think the point is- yes under our law it's classed as a donation assuming there's no agreement of any gain. But that assumes the intention on either side. To what extent can we assume that's the case? Because the gifters of the donation are not under UK law and there's no written basis for it.
Just seems obvious if they are throwing him a party they will want something.
Wasn't it in the Epstein files- ' we have Farage in the uk'
Well have him for what and who is we exactly.
And many people are saying it's some large plan with crip toe.
But they are also all very misogynist. Otherwise they wouldn't see him undermining assaulted women and give him 70 odd million pounds.
I wonder if they realise what a driver that could be? Hormones. Testosterone. Being very emotional. Being skilled in very narrow areas. Watching the conference and thinking the poor man he needs a bit of support?

Yeah. Erm... quote " It comes from the UK legal definition of donation which has already been posted"

I am following this thread, and I think I have read all the posts, and I just looked back a few pages to check that claim. Because when you say "the UK legal definition of donation which has already been posted", do you mean this, that your good self posted ?"

Donation in English Law: Legal Framework, Tax Implications, and Recent Developments - Express Law Solutions

Because that is the definition for tax reasons. Not political, and nor does it even mention the rules for political donations. Not that I can quickly see anyway.

The rules for political donations are here-

Political party donations and loans in Great Britain (electoralcommission.org.uk)

It is those rules that apply. Not a generic tax site. Really, if you are going to claim " this is the definition", then handwave away what other posters are saying, should you not be referencing the correct definition in context ?

From MY link.

"A party registered with the Electoral Commission under the PPERA. Parties may be registered under the Great Britain or Northern Ireland register and they must comply with the controls and responsibilities set out under PPERA."

Is it not these rules and definitions that are in play here ? And not generic tax law ?

Apologies if someone did post the correct definition as per the electoral commission.

Oh- so it's only permissable if it's a UK voter?
Who does he know that's a UK Voter in Dubai?
If friends who are in Reform throw him a party is that classed as a donation?
The rate he is consuming oysters and champagne, that alone is going to hit well over £500!

NB the treasurer is Nick Candy. Perhaps he didn't know about the alleged party? But it's him supposed to report it.

I suppose it can be difficult to keep up with a man of the people who is in the jet set crowd.

A quick search of Nick Candy, first hit on my web

https://www.gbnews.com/politics/reform-uk-nick-candy-tory-donor-nigel-farage

"The property tycoon joined the Tory Party in 2009 and donated more than £270,000 to the Conservatives between 2020 and 2022 alone. "

Yeah. Not elite at all. High end luxury is what he does. I am surprised he has the time to file Nigel's paperwork. He has his own 2 billion to look after.

I don't understand why Reform won't/can't answer the question "When did they move back to the UK and do they now pay UK tax?"

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/exclusive-elections-watchdog-could-investigate-crypto-billionaires-ps72m-to-reform-uk_uk_6aa802f8e4b054da7a2360b4?hg

obsolete

Why does she say ' some of the money'?
They are either permissible or they aren't.

@DuncinToffee

I don't understand why Reform won't/can't answer the question "When did they move back to the UK and do they now pay UK tax?"

HMRC will be able to answer those questions if Delo and Harborne have UK passports.

The question wasn't about their passports.

HMRC will know if they've been paying tax here?
So maybe Angela Rayner means- they may have to pay the years tax in the UK...
That could be a lot I suppose-

I have a Dutch passport and live in the UK. Passports are not an indication of where someone lives. I can't even with this.

@DuncinToffee

If they have UK passports, HMRC will know their movements in and out of the UK. Reason is that is enables HMRC to know how many days they were in the UK in the tax year. The day count is one of the criteria used to determine residency.

When did they move back to the UK is not exactly a trick question.

@pointythings

It’s possible to be dual resident. The day count is one of the criteria used to determine residency in the UK.

Check out the UK SRT. Link is:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rdr3-statutory-residence-test-srt/guidance-note-for-statutory-residence-test-srt-rdr3

If someone is in the UK for more than 91 days in a tax year, they will almost certainly be considered resident even if they don’t have a UK passport.

The French Total staff I worked alongside in London had French passport, but because they spent more than 91 days per year in the UK, they paid UK tax. Happy to do as they were lower than France.

@DuncinToffee

When did they move back to the UK is not exactly a trick question.

Maybe Reform have not seen Delo and Harborne’s passports, but HMRC will know their dates of arrival and departure from the UK. So, why done the investigators contact HMRC?

So why can't Reform answer the question asking whether Harborne meets that threshold?

Bit sloppy of Reform not to check as they were aware of the Representaion of the People bill

Assuming the bill passes as it is, this largely kicks in from when the changes were announced, 25 March 2026.

Might explain why Farage is hinting that Reform’s £72m donations may not be legal under new elections bill

@pointythings

So why can't Reform answer the question asking whether Harborne meets that threshold?

Same reply as to DuncinToffee. If Reform haven’t seen the passports of both Delo and Harborne, how can they know their movements in and out of the UK?

Whilst the dates of arrival and departure from the UK are known to HMRC, it’s data that’s not publicly available.