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BTEC/T level/other vocational 25/26 - part 2

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BTECnewbie · 03/02/2026 07:57

New thread for those of us with DC doing vocational courses (and for those with DC looking for an alternative to A levels next year and looking for advice).

My DC is currently doing a level 3 extended diploma. He struggled academically at school and was pretty miserable in year 11. With a lot of hard work he got the grades needed for the level 3 BTEC and is now thriving at college.

OP posts:
TeenToTwenties · 31/08/2026 06:55

@OhCrumbsWhereNow That is the most comprehensive breakdown of scoring I have seen here in 10 years. Thank you.

Peacot91 · 31/08/2026 09:03

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 29/08/2026 12:31

@Peacot91
My DD is at a London college. Not on BTEC or UAL but an RSL L3 Extended

Where I have seen a difference is on how grades are allocated.

For DD's course, every assignment counts towards the final grade each year.

You need to get a certain number of distinction grades in each module to get a distinction for that assignment. And then a certain number of distinction assignments to get a distinction at end of year. (Same applies to securing merit etc).

On UAL, the grade is determined by final assignments with the rest learning towards that. So in a way, you could have straight distinctions all year and then something goes wrong on final assignment and you end up with a pass or a merit.

IIRC, you can't resubmit unless you have failed completely. RSL, you can resubmit individual units depending on the individual college rules.

So really worth checking - and understanding - how the assignments work. DD's college has never properly explained it to them, and nothing on the VLP. I was clued in by a friend whose DD did a BTEC L3 extended and said get on top of mark scheme early. DD also did a L2 BTEC instead of a GCSE option and so I was familiar with the hell that is the assignment brief and having to work out what the heck they even want!

This is very helpful. Thank you

Raven08 · 31/08/2026 12:50

@OhCrumbsWhereNow
Thank you so much! 💙
I think dd is doing RSL as she's got her grades for year one, and there is a D* grade that you can achieve.

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 31/08/2026 13:06

Raven08 · 31/08/2026 12:50

@OhCrumbsWhereNow
Thank you so much! 💙
I think dd is doing RSL as she's got her grades for year one, and there is a D* grade that you can achieve.

Only RSL or BTEC can have the Dstar in Y1 so sounds likely.

Honestly Ofqual really need to look at it being the same across them.

I had friends whose DD's did L3 Extended Diplomas a couple of years ago. One got Triple D Star and one got a D as final grades. I assumed that the first had done significantly better and got a higher grade.

Nope - one was BTEC and one was UAL and both got the highest grade possible.

Fine for Universities who get the difference, but not so much for the general public.

Raven08 · 31/08/2026 14:52

Dd is btec.
I ageee, it is confusing and I even downloaded the course spec and I was no wiser!
Thanks again x

Raven08 · 31/08/2026 14:56

Dd back to college tomorrow and she can't wait...
Older dd back to work, too
<happy sigh>
It'll be the first time I'll be alone in the house since the end of May 🤗

Sisublondie · 01/09/2026 00:47

Raven08 · 31/08/2026 14:56

Dd back to college tomorrow and she can't wait...
Older dd back to work, too
<happy sigh>
It'll be the first time I'll be alone in the house since the end of May 🤗

YAY!!! 🥳 Veritable party time for @Raven08!!!!.. it’s going to be sooooooo quiet!!!! Excellent!!! 😹

Seriously, tho, GOOD LUCK to both DD’s!! I hope it goes well for them both! x

Sisublondie · 01/09/2026 00:53

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 30/08/2026 22:12

In case useful to anyone.

Some courses might give you a better chance at grade/UCAS points depending on where you are likely to be aiming and what your work ethic is like.

Some kids are better nose to grindstone all year, ability to retake a unit and cumulative. Some are happier with it all being dependent on a final project.

RSL L3 Extended Diploma
You can't get Dstar in an individual module or assignment just the final grade.

You get the grade by dividing your total achieved points/credits across all units by the maximum possible points/credits and working out the percentage.

Distinction star (Dstar): 94% – 100% - 168 UCAS points
Distinction (D): 87% – 93% - 144 UCAS points
Merit (M): 63% – 86% - 96 UCAS points
Pass (P): 50% – 62% - 48 UCAS points

Every module counts towards final grade.
End of first year you get an RSL L3 Subsidiary Diploma - a Dstar is worth 84 UCAS points, D is worth 72 points, M is 48 points, P is 24.

Note: Year 1 and Year 2 are cumulative. So at the very end of Year 2, RSL takes your combined total points from BOTH years and divides it by the total maximum possible points for the whole qualification. If you drop points on a few modules in Year 1, it becomes mathematically impossible to hit the Dstar in Year 2, even if you get straight Distinctions in your final year.

UAL Level 3 Extended Diploma:

For UAL there is no Distinction Star (Dstar) grade. Instead, the highest possible grade you can achieve is a straight Distinction (D)

Early Modules (Units 1 to 11 / 12): These modules are completely diagnostic. Tutors will grade them as Pass, Merit, or Distinction to give you feedback, but they do not count toward your final grade.

The Final Module (Unit 12 or 13, depending on pathway): Your final grade for the entire two-year Extended Diploma is determined 100% by your Year 2 Final Major Project.

Distinction (D): 168 UCAS points
Merit (M): 120 UCAS points
Pass (P): 72 UCAS points

End of first year you get a UAL Level 3 Diploma - D is worth 84 points, M is 60 points, P is 36.

BTEC Level 3 Extended Diploma:

Every unit is worth a specific number of Guided Learning Hours (usually 60, 90, or 120 hours). Pearson assigns a point score to the grade you achieve in each module, weighted by its size.

At the end of the 2-year course, all of your unit points are added together. The total maximum possible score is 288 points

Your final grade is shown as a combination of three letters. Each distinct combination converts to a specific number of UCAS Tariff points:

Triple Distinction Star: 272+ points - 168 UCAS points
Double Distinction Star/ D: 262-271 points - 160 UCAS points
Distinction Star/ DD: 252-261 points - 152 UCAS points
DDD: 242-251 points - 144 UCAS points
DDM: 222-241 points - 128 UCAS points
DMM: 202-221 points - 112 UCAS points
MMM: 182-201 points - 96 UCAS points
MMP: 162-181 points - 80 UCAS points
MPP: 142-161 points - 64 UCAS points
PPP: 120-141 points - 48 UCAS points

End of first year you get a BTEC L3 Foundation Diploma: a Dstar is worth 84 UCAS points, D is worth 72 points, M is 48 points, P is 24.

Two extra rules for BTEC:
1: The External Units Rule: You must achieve a minimum grade of a Pass or higher in all mandatory external assessments. If you get an "Unclassified" (U) on a core exam, you cannot get the full Extended Diploma.
2: The Minimum Credits Rule: You must pass modules worth at least 900 out of the 1080 total Guided Learning Hours. You are allowed to fail a small optional unit, but failing too many means you drop down a qualification tier.

“In case”?! 😹😹😹… @OhCrumbsWhereNow, that is AMAZING ! Thank you!!!

Worthy of Distinction 🌟, itself!!!!

I can’t tell you how helpful that is- 🙏🙏🙏!

x

Raven08 · 01/09/2026 08:03

@OhCrumbsWhereNow
I've just checked dds btec foundation certificate and its a D so 72 ucas points! Not sure she's aware so I'll tell her when she gets home.
I'm sat in bed, listening to chilled music, sipping tea, looking at the sunshine 🌞
I need to check on mum, then the usual laundry 🙄
But it's so nice out there today, I may go for a walk.
Last week was a bit full on but I think - after a year - we've finally finished with dhs uncles house...its all in the hands of the solicitors now. It's been hard 😕
1st September - start of their 2nd year! Seems lile yesterday they were all starting out 😊

BTECnewbie · 01/09/2026 11:26

DS got DD at the end of year 1 in his BTEC level 3 extended diploma. I’m not sure why he gets 2 grades at the end of year 1 and 3 grades at the end of year 2. He was really pleased with his marks. He lost a few due to being disorganised and missing a few deadlines early on (so he was capped at a pass for a couple of units). He needs to focus on being organised this year. He had too many nights working to midnight to meet deadlines last year. I don’t think he is interested in university but wants to get the highest grades he can to support apprenticeship and job applications.

OP posts:
Raven08 · 01/09/2026 12:52

BTECnewbie · 01/09/2026 11:26

DS got DD at the end of year 1 in his BTEC level 3 extended diploma. I’m not sure why he gets 2 grades at the end of year 1 and 3 grades at the end of year 2. He was really pleased with his marks. He lost a few due to being disorganised and missing a few deadlines early on (so he was capped at a pass for a couple of units). He needs to focus on being organised this year. He had too many nights working to midnight to meet deadlines last year. I don’t think he is interested in university but wants to get the highest grades he can to support apprenticeship and job applications.

Brilliant marks! 👏
Dd seems to have one grade at end of year 1 - a distinction.
My understanding is that by end of year 2 she'll have 3 grades? (E.g. DDM..)🤷‍♀️

Raven08 · 01/09/2026 13:11

Well.
After all my talk of looking forward to an empty house today, in fact I'm like an ill sitting hen! 😬😕🤣
I've even washed my vintage Irish linen <that's how bored I am>
I suspect I'm subconsciously worried re: dd's.
Dd1 is still struggling wrt her break up (despite a fab holiday with friends..) and dd2 gets SO anxiousbat times, even about things she's looking forward to...sigh.
I'm out with a friend tonight so alcohol a good old chat might help

Sisublondie · 01/09/2026 14:35

@Raven08…. “ ill sitting hen” 🐔 🙀🙄😹!! Love it!! Not that you feel like one, obvs!! I just haven’t heard it before! Which is weird as there are a lot of chickens found here!
Did you go for your walk?! I just dumped DS off in his college/ GF’s town, and took my 🐩 boys out…. Went down what I call the “ secret passage” behind the church and valley as I couldn’t be bothered with “ tourist chat”…. ! 😈🙄🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️😹!! .. I do feel better than if I’d cracked on with my To Do List straight away! Sky is getting black again…
How is it with you?! ( given I’m guessing you’re close by- ish!).

Of course you will still be worrying about them…. I guess we will always….. I really hope older DD gets a distraction- person…. Not to jump from the proverbial frying pan, but just to realise that her love interests do not end here…. 💖🌺💖. And, hopefully DD will have a fab Tuesday First Day!!

Well done on Uncle’s house!! Whoop, as the kids say!!

Hope your Mum was ok? How is she doing? Mine was on good form on our chat earlier. Now things are getting back to normal ( and my Wedding Tours are over!) I will probably be getting back to weekly trips… Laundry !!!! 🧺 why does it never end!?!

YAY to going out tonight!!!( ! I’m off to London on Friday to see my lovely singer I saw in Cornwall ( and I got a deal at posh hotel near my old law firm… with a 🏊!)., Light at the end of my tunnel! ).. I hope you have a FABULOUS time!!! 🌟xx

Sisublondie · 01/09/2026 14:36

BTECnewbie · 01/09/2026 11:26

DS got DD at the end of year 1 in his BTEC level 3 extended diploma. I’m not sure why he gets 2 grades at the end of year 1 and 3 grades at the end of year 2. He was really pleased with his marks. He lost a few due to being disorganised and missing a few deadlines early on (so he was capped at a pass for a couple of units). He needs to focus on being organised this year. He had too many nights working to midnight to meet deadlines last year. I don’t think he is interested in university but wants to get the highest grades he can to support apprenticeship and job applications.

🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟 EXCELLENT!!! Congratulations!! 🥳

Sisublondie · 01/09/2026 14:37

Raven08 · 01/09/2026 08:03

@OhCrumbsWhereNow
I've just checked dds btec foundation certificate and its a D so 72 ucas points! Not sure she's aware so I'll tell her when she gets home.
I'm sat in bed, listening to chilled music, sipping tea, looking at the sunshine 🌞
I need to check on mum, then the usual laundry 🙄
But it's so nice out there today, I may go for a walk.
Last week was a bit full on but I think - after a year - we've finally finished with dhs uncles house...its all in the hands of the solicitors now. It's been hard 😕
1st September - start of their 2nd year! Seems lile yesterday they were all starting out 😊

🌟🌟🌟🌟💖🌟🌟🌟 72!! Whooooo- Hoooooo!!!! x

Raven08 · 01/09/2026 14:51

@Sisublondie
The sky has gone quite dark here, so I've just grabbed the laundry from the line.
I didn't go for a walk in the end - I'll walk to the bar later 🍷😁

Raven08 · 02/09/2026 00:30

Sigh.
So.
I need your help.
Dd was told today that she is being moved group to "help socialise" another group.
She is devastated.
I'm trying to support and will send an email tomorrow to back dd up as she doesn't want to move.
Some students were emailed and asked but dd wasn't 🤷‍♀️
I'm really struggling to understand the justification for this.
Dd very very upset, says she tried to talk to some of them today and they ignored her/laughed at her.
What can we do?

Raven08 · 02/09/2026 00:31

Ffs.
She was enjoying this course so much 😕

Sisublondie · 02/09/2026 00:47

@Raven08What The..?!? That is utterly brutal and I am not surprised she is gutted! Have they given her any opportunity to refuse?! Well done on the planning to write to them front… could you pop in a point blank refusal? Surely citing her “ basic mental health” being affected must be of utmost relevance?! Surely that should take priority over bloody “ helping socialise” Randoms?!! 🤷‍♀️🤔🤦‍♀️🤬?!

Oh, I’m so very sorry for you both!! I’d be fuming too!!

Let’s really hope 🤞 that the madness can be changed and reversed back .. ( because that other group sound nasty ass!) …

Oh, I was so hoping you were having a well deserved night out! x

Sisublondie · 02/09/2026 00:50

Raven08 · 01/09/2026 14:51

@Sisublondie
The sky has gone quite dark here, so I've just grabbed the laundry from the line.
I didn't go for a walk in the end - I'll walk to the bar later 🍷😁

… high five for getting it done and on the line in the first place…. And then for spotting potential rain and moving it, too! 😸

Sisublondie · 02/09/2026 01:02

Ps- @Raven08.. I hope you manage to get some sleep c

Raven08 · 02/09/2026 11:01

Sisublondie · 02/09/2026 00:47

@Raven08What The..?!? That is utterly brutal and I am not surprised she is gutted! Have they given her any opportunity to refuse?! Well done on the planning to write to them front… could you pop in a point blank refusal? Surely citing her “ basic mental health” being affected must be of utmost relevance?! Surely that should take priority over bloody “ helping socialise” Randoms?!! 🤷‍♀️🤔🤦‍♀️🤬?!

Oh, I’m so very sorry for you both!! I’d be fuming too!!

Let’s really hope 🤞 that the madness can be changed and reversed back .. ( because that other group sound nasty ass!) …

Oh, I was so hoping you were having a well deserved night out! x

Yeah.
I'm really baffled and quite angry.
I sent an email in at 8am. Dd has gone in and I've suggested she ask for a meeting with head of Faculty. It's been handled/communicated very badly.

Sisublondie · 02/09/2026 11:07

Raven08 · 02/09/2026 11:01

Yeah.
I'm really baffled and quite angry.
I sent an email in at 8am. Dd has gone in and I've suggested she ask for a meeting with head of Faculty. It's been handled/communicated very badly.

To say the least!!!

What exactly did they say to her? What was the set up? Groups within the course, working together? Which, clearly, she was settled with? Didn’t she have a bit of a problem with some work-shy individuals (!) last year? If so, where are they, now, in this random new set up that they have come up with?

Well done for getting on top of this straightaway for her. It’s so good for her to know you have her back 💯… ( of course!!!)… I’m keeping all crossed for a swift resolution here! x

Raven08 · 02/09/2026 11:51

Thanks @Sisublondie

Raven08 · 02/09/2026 12:00

It's such a shame. Dd has always had this happen...from primary school. They put her with the naughty/difficult/lazy kids to "encourage" them 🙄
She did all the work for the group project earlier this year. She won't make that mistake again!

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