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(Lack of) US Iran Peace Agreement Part 5

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OnePeppyFatball · 14/09/2026 10:37

Part 5

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trumpredcard · Yesterday 07:14

Pezeshkian also said Iran would now allow UN nuclear inspectors into the country

Hilarious.<sarcasm> Back to the JCPOA pre Iran war status quo then.

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 07:23

trumpredcard · Yesterday 06:57

Anyone can say anything on this thread so long as it isn't perceived as a personal attack, and even then, most posters will not report it.

On the cleverness of using the pagers. I agree that it was a clever move to eliminate the enemy in an efficient way, when all you care about is achieving your own aims.
It was also immoral ruthless in deliberately ignoring the innocent lives that would also be lost, as it would have been impossible know where the pagers were at the time they were set to explode.
A bit like throwing an explosive into the water to catch fish, with similar devastating results.

The pagers were bought by Hezbollah who were at war with Israel weren't they?

I imagine both Hezbollah and Israel only care about achieving their own aims - that is normal against an enemy surely, especially in a war situation.

Hezbollah main goal is armed resistance against Israel. This armed resistance also endangers innocent civilian life.

Harsh reality of war is that innocents get killed - or is there a way for Israel to defeat Iranian proxies that seek to destroy them without civilians getting hurt?

Newbutoldfather · Yesterday 07:31

@trumpredcard ,

‘A bit like throwing an explosive into the water to catch fish, with similar devastating results.’

Or throwing an explosive out of a plane, which seems to have been an accepted military strategy since planes were invented.

Do you accept any civilians are going to die in a war? If you do, surely you can see that the pagers, with small charges distributed directly to enemy combatants, are both more efficient and more merciful than bombs dropped from planes?

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 07:32

trumpredcard · Yesterday 07:14

Pezeshkian also said Iran would now allow UN nuclear inspectors into the country

Hilarious.<sarcasm> Back to the JCPOA pre Iran war status quo then.

Shouldn't we all be pleased if Iran are saying they will now allow UN nuclear inspectors into Iran? That has been a major sticking point to ending the war.

We need to be able to see the MoU final deal that is passed before being able to conclude that it just the JCPOA deal under a different name.

This is a huge concession from the IRGC. If they mean it, which isn't clear at the moment.

Newbutoldfather · Yesterday 07:38

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/trump-rejects-iran-ceasefire-expects-renewed-bombing-after-midterms-5982ee50?st=yrodJJ&reflink=article_copyURL_share

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/a-u-s-arm-twisting-campaign-is-cutting-iran-off-from-the-rest-of-the-world-ebcd990e?st=X2NWTB&reflink=article_copyURL_share

A couple of interesting articles from the WSJ, one saying that Trump will intensify the war after the midterms, the other about how sanctions are seriously squeezing Iran.

Newbutoldfather · Yesterday 07:39

@Twiglets1 ,

‘This is a huge concession from the IRGC. If they mean it, which isn't clear at the moment.’

It looks good but the devil is in the details.

Can the inspectors come without warning? Can they go wherever they want? etc etc

OnePeppyFatball · Yesterday 08:00

The devil is in the detail.

Well quite.Let’s hope this MOU is detailed well enough so it is clear as to what both sides are truly agreeing to this time. Or we will be back to square 1.

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Twiglets1 · Yesterday 08:04

Yes the devil is in the detail and many questions to be answered.

The BBC say Trump is privately sceptical that Iran would meet his demands and had told his staff that he saw a renewed bombing campaign as likely (after the midterms).

But - this is still a positive step from Iran in my opinion. What leaders say publicly isn't necessarily what they mean (Trump as much as IRGC leaders). The Iran side do seem to be indicating they want to do a deal now though. Quite possibly because the economic sanctions are starting to really bite.

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 08:10

Newbutoldfather · Yesterday 07:38

Very interesting articles thank you - especially the second one.

trumpredcard · Yesterday 08:31

Newbutoldfather · Yesterday 07:31

@trumpredcard ,

‘A bit like throwing an explosive into the water to catch fish, with similar devastating results.’

Or throwing an explosive out of a plane, which seems to have been an accepted military strategy since planes were invented.

Do you accept any civilians are going to die in a war? If you do, surely you can see that the pagers, with small charges distributed directly to enemy combatants, are both more efficient and more merciful than bombs dropped from planes?

You are mistaking my pro and con arguments on a subject with my actual beliefs. I like understanding the reasoning behind the actions of both/all sides which then helps me to decide which I prefer.
For example, the use of a nuclear bomb to swiftly end WWII vs almost ten years of using Agent Orange (contaminating approx. 12,000 sq miles) in Vietnam.
With regard to military decisions made for political purposes ...

TopPocketFind · Yesterday 08:33

Of course we are pleased about that concession, it was still in place before the bombing started.

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 08:44

TopPocketFind · Yesterday 08:33

Of course we are pleased about that concession, it was still in place before the bombing started.

You can only speak for yourself.

What do you mean “It was still in place before the bombing started”?

TopPocketFind · Yesterday 08:57

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 08:44

You can only speak for yourself.

What do you mean “It was still in place before the bombing started”?

OK, of course I am pleased, better?

RedTagAlan · Yesterday 09:08

He has posted his map again.

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(Lack of) US Iran Peace Agreement Part 5
Twiglets1 · Yesterday 11:29

TopPocketFind · Yesterday 08:57

OK, of course I am pleased, better?

I was just asking you to explain what you meant by the last bit 🤷🏼‍♀️

And a reminder that we don’t all see things the same way.

TopPocketFind · Yesterday 11:40

What I meant was that Iran passed a bill barring inspectors after the June 25 attacks.

They had already restricted access after Trump tore up the JCPOA

The concession is a good thing to happen and is a return to the JCPOA.

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 12:54

TopPocketFind · Yesterday 11:40

What I meant was that Iran passed a bill barring inspectors after the June 25 attacks.

They had already restricted access after Trump tore up the JCPOA

The concession is a good thing to happen and is a return to the JCPOA.

Thank you for clarifying.

trumpredcard · Today 04:14

Within the context of Trump rejecting the latest Iran proposal and threatening to resume attacking Iran, the linked article is worth reading. Powerful + frustrated + egotistical, isn't a combination that bodes well for negotiating an end to the war.
In my mind I hear the Robinson's robot going Danger! Danger!

Lichtman, a history professor at American University in Washington, believes that Trump is driven by two things: money and glory. “He cannot stand not being the centre of attention and that’s dangerous,” he said. “I don’t care much about his verbal lashing-out; I don’t think that helps him at all. But who knows what crazy things he might do to reassert attention on him? And that’s frightening.

“Never underestimate the power of the president. Just because Republicansare criticising him, his poll numbers are low, prospects for Republicans look dim, doesn’t mean he doesn’t have enormous power – and he is certainly quite willing to use that power unconstrained. He doesn’t care about the courts and doesn’t care about the Congress.”
From this perspective, Trump’s last refuge will be the unchecked use of executive authority, a politicised justice department and a sweeping pardon power. With nothing to lose in his final two years, he could go out all guns blazing.
Charlie Sykes, a conservative author and broadcaster, said: “Donald Trump fears irrelevance more than anything and he’ll rage against it as long as he can. The notion that he will go quietly would be incredibly naive.
“We’re headed for a collision between a lame duck who has no respect for
the constitutional norms and an opposition that may have some power to hold him accountable. The paradox is the weaker he gets, the more dangerous he gets.”

https://www.theguardian.com/news/ng-interactive/2026/sep/25/trump-lashes-out-un-fed-supreme-court

‘The weaker he gets, the more dangerous he gets’: Trump lashes out as his power wanes

Trump tries to dominate at the UN as his approval ratings plummet and even some Republicans distance themselves from him

https://www.theguardian.com/news/ng-interactive/2026/sep/25/trump-lashes-out-un-fed-supreme-court

Twiglets1 · Today 04:25

US thanks UK, Turkey, Oman & UAE for enforcing sanctions against Iran.

In a post on X, Bessent said he dispatched teams across the globe to push for action against Iran following the launch of Operation Economic Outcast.

“These efforts are delivering results” he wrote.

“Türkiye and Oman announced the cessation of Mahan air flights to their countries. The UAE has halted all flights by Iranian airlines, and top commercial banks in the UAE and Türkiye have stopped transacting with Iran”, he said.

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