Israels plan for Gazas future

He is a Palestinian who actually lived in the region (West Bank), brought up in a Hamas founding family within Hamas, who has lived experience of terrorism and carried out intelligence operations on both the Hamas and Israeli side, whose voice is dismissed by by pro-Palestinians because it doesn’t fit the Pro-Palestinian narrative.

Mandy’s voice is not dismissed by pro-Palestinians as a Jew who was born and brought up outside of Israel, with his only terrorism experience coming from acting as an intelligence operative in a TV show and his narrative fits the pro-Palestinian narrative.

Do you not see a glaring miscorrelation there?

Mosab Yousef was kidnapped by the IDF as a boy?

You mean convicted of terrorism offences at the age of 18, although he was arrested several times before that.

The horrors he was subjected to including being raped and beaten as a young child and seeing other Palestinians tortured and murdered come from the Hamas side, (although he says he was tortured by Israel too and explains that in first video linked below), that’s why he decided to ‘betray’ his own people saving hundreds of lives by preventing suicide attacks in the process. Anyone who is really on the side of the Palestinians, children in particular, should be listening to him.

Your take on his own story that he’s related himself on numerous occasions is quite stunning in it’s delusion.

Here he talks about his times in prison:

This is about his father:

This is about him choosing to follow Christianity and he states quite clearly that happened while he was still living in the West Bank and BEFORE he ‘betrayed’ his father:

It’s actually quite long that one but quite compelling in how he sees things, although he’s also extremely clear on how he sees Islam which some may find offensive. That is 13 years old so he was speaking out like that long before the current conflict.

And we shouldn't swallow the Western view of Iran.

And Zionism isn't illegal 'yet'.

And financial support rewards for the families of terrorist killers is fine.

And the threat from Hamas doesn't matter.

All her words.

That it would even enter her mind to talk in those terms about someone who chose to leave Hamas, as a 'traitor'. Quite passionately in fact.

Are people really too dim to see that these are the words of a supporter?

It's not subtle.

And 'rage bait'. Who says such things?

Not everyone has an agenda y'know 😉

Me, I said it. The propaganda war is long lost.

Nothing that I've read indicates this.

The risk to the UK from Iran is a separate issue altogether. It doesn't detract from the seige of Gaza though, just as the existence of Hamas doesn't. Who was it that set up Hamas again?

We're very well acquainted with islamist terror threats in the west and will continue to be well acquainted with them due to the ongoing policy of government. This is something we will be forced to cope with from now on.

It doesn't justify genocide though.

Veiled has not openly supported Hamas (a proscribed terrorist entity in the UK). All Veiled has done is have a different opinion saying that they don't believe that the subjugation and bombing of a captured population will not lead to peace (as evidenced numerous times in history) and that the consequences for Israelis and unfortunately for the Jewish diaspora around the world after the barbarity shown by the Israeli government will not be good. A fact echoed in the Mandy Patankin video.

On Iran, whats wrong with writing positive things about Iran (a diverse population of 90+ million people of different religions and ethnicities). Do people ever consider that others may have different life experiences.

After the "weapons of mass destruction" and other such lies to manufacture consent for intervention in the region perhaps people are wary. Especially now that the same entities labelling Iran are same entities that look away or are actively engaged in crimes against humanity in Palestine and other countries around the world.

The absolute joke of Western intelligence agencies who have armed, funded and trained "Terrorist" groups over decades (Mujahideen in Afghanistan, Contras in Nicaragua, Muslim brotherhood in Egypt) trying to call other countries names.😅

@SharonEllis it's rage bait, don't bite. The war is being lost? Who says such things?

And obviously Hamas is proscribed and supporting them is illegal and a recent report exposed in detail the extent of tbe threat posed in the UK by Iran.

Nothing that I've read indicates this at all. Support for the Palestinian people doesn't equal support for Hamas. We've been through this about eight thousand times on this board. It's really tedious and it's just so.......basic.

All this is just wasting people's time. Nobody honestly believes what's being put out. People are more sophisticated now and better informed. Information can come from many sources. They're not falling for this woefully simplistic narrative. The things I'm reading online by ordinary citizens clearly indicates this. The war is being lost. We're not stupid.

Wow, this is just 🤦🏼‍♀️

That we have to tolerate this for objecting to genocide.

All I need to see is the comment of yours. That’s what I was referring to. You called a poster on here a terrorist. !!! Im not discussing your comment anymore I think Clara’s comment is an excellent one to follow.

Firstly, you need to stop using hyperbole. That poster was expressing support for Hamas, however I have not accused them of being a terrorist per se so don't be silly.

You seem a bit lost - maybe you need to look up Mosab Hassan Yousef's family background.

Why?

Saying someone betrayed his people family etc etc ? That doesn’t warrant you accusing them of being a terrorist !

Are my opinions upsetting you?

Well, that poster did denounce someone for betraying their fellow Hamasniks.