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This is the reality of Hamas

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keenforhelp · 20/06/2024 11:46

This is a very interesting opinion piece and underlines how difficult it is and has been for Israel.

There must be more international calls for Hamas to be removed from Gaza.

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2023/11/17/cole-the-reality-of-hamas/

COLE: The reality of Hamas - Yale Daily News

I have been a student of the Middle East and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict since I was an undergraduate at Yale in the early 1980s.   […]

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2023/11/17/cole-the-reality-of-hamas

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Kindatired · 21/06/2024 23:38

I don’t think there’s many that don’t believe that Hamas’s military wing is comprised of self serving brutal terrorists. But it is not realistic to try to eliminate them militarily and the human cost is too great. And don’t bother saying it’s because their government built tunnels instead of shelters-half the population weren’t born when the last election was held.

ForKookyPoet · 21/06/2024 18:01

Hamas is a phenomenon that we should all be scared of. They don't just want to come for jews, when they are done with that, their confidence, empowerment and weaponry, thanks to Iran, will seek the rest of Europe out. 9/11 was a walk in the park compared to their long term plans.

captainsudoku · 21/06/2024 13:59

Well said Sharon

EdithStourton · 21/06/2024 12:06

More on Hamas on this thread here:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/5095127-hamas-leader-believes-civilian-deaths-are-necessary-sacrifices-in-israeli-war-leaked-letters-show?page=1

From the article:
Correspondence between Yahya Sinwar, the terror group’s military leader, and officials tasked with brokering a ceasefire with Qatari and Egyptian officials indicate he is more interested in securing his own future than peace.

“We have the Israelis right where we want them,” Sinwar said in one of dozens of messages to ceasefire negotiators obtained by The Wall Street Journal.
The messages display a calculated disregard for human life and a belief on the part of Sinwar that Israel has more to lose from the eight-month war than Hamas.

In one message to Hamas leaders in Doha, he cites civilian losses in national-liberation conflicts in places such as Algeria, where hundreds of thousands of people died fighting for independence from France, saying, “these are necessary sacrifices”.

In a separate letter, sent on April 11 to Ismail Haniyeh, a Hamas political leader, whose three sons were killed in an Israeli air strike, Sinwar claimed their deaths and those of other Palestinians would “infuse life into the veins of this nation, prompting it to rise to its glory and honour”.

Rise of Hamas’s Yahya Sinwar from refugee to world’s most-wanted terrorist

Israel this week offered £300,000 bounty for information leading to capture of Gaza-based mastermind behind Oct 7 attacks

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/12/21/who-is-hamas-terrorist-yahya-sinwar-israel-war/

SharonEllis · 21/06/2024 11:59

captainsudoku · 21/06/2024 09:39

Hamas are beyond appalling. Hopefully Israel will get a better, more progressive government soon, but Hamas will still be Hamas.

And I think this is the heart of it. Democracies sometimes vote in bad governments. Israel's political system encourages coalitions which can bring in people from the fringes. There is nothing good about Hamas, its people, its ideology, its methods or its government and no evidence that it will change. We ha e to hope Pakestinian & Israeli people find ways of bringing in better governors.

captainsudoku · 21/06/2024 09:39

Hamas are beyond appalling. Hopefully Israel will get a better, more progressive government soon, but Hamas will still be Hamas.

ForKookyPoet · 21/06/2024 09:30

Mercurial123 · 21/06/2024 09:27

Yes, and the genocide from the Israeli government is beyond appalling.

Bingo!

Mercurial123 · 21/06/2024 09:27

SharonEllis · 21/06/2024 08:55

Includes useful links too. The plight of the Palestinian people at the hands of their own leaders is appalling

Yes, and the genocide from the Israeli government is beyond appalling.

SharonEllis · 21/06/2024 08:55

Includes useful links too. The plight of the Palestinian people at the hands of their own leaders is appalling

Garlicker · 20/06/2024 15:01

Unfortunately, the people of Gaza will never be freed of Hamas to create the life of hope and prosperity they deserve. They'll all be dead. The author's absolutely right that Hamas uses the people - all of them - as 'martyrs', whether they signed up for that role or not. Hamas ensures that the only obvious way to eliminate it is to eliminate the entire nation.

I don't know if there is another way; I'm neither a diplomat nor a military expert. I do know I hate seeing the wholesale devastation inflicted on ordinary people's lives. I know the Israeli rhetoric is no less vicious than Hamas's. It feels like the culmination of thousands of years of conflict, and I don't have to like it or side with either party. Both are unjustified, in my view.

The eventual few Palestinian survivors will carry a multi-generational burden of traumatised hatred. There will be no peaceful outcome for them.

Mercurial123 · 20/06/2024 14:59

I agree that the Palestinians deserve a future and state without Hamas. Where the illegal settlers give back the land. The Israelis deserve better than the corrupt Netanyahu led government.

This is the reality of Hamas
quantumbutterfly · 20/06/2024 14:42

Yep

EberswalderStrasse · 20/06/2024 12:01

Great article, thanks for sharing. Agree with every word.