Please do all you can to object to the genocide of Palestinians (Thread 2)

There can be no peace until Israel and Palestine realise the only way forward is to stop killing each other’s children, and stop destroying each other’s homes.

To carry on this cycle shows weakness.

Real strength and security will come from being able to stop, and from the realisation that when people are treated fairly, given agency over their lives, and a purpose that goes beyond survival, they are less likely to succumb to violence.

There can be no peace until Hamas abandon their aims to annihilate both Israel and all Jewish people.
And the prospect of that, given that Gaza occupants are subject to anti semitic conditioning in their schools enabled by UNRWA employees thousands of whom are sympathetic to Hamas or members of Hamas, is very unlikely.

Ah, "luvvie lefties". I understand now.

Because it's their home? Because for many of the people there, that's the only home they've ever known?

Seriously, your solution to a group of people experiencing persecution and oppression in their own homes is "why don't they move"?

Where is your empathy for fellow humans?

This part is very interesting.

That could come across in a whole manner of particularly unpleasant ways!!

Then again, anything to try to detract from the realities of the article....

Likewise to the 'genocide' brigade 🙄

https://aje.io/rqzi5u Five people talking about what their life is currently like

Future is extremely worrying:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C271Q34Nsu-/?igsh=Yml2Y29wZWwycnN6

Re education on both sides is very important to ensure they move forward with a two state solution. With what this writer is saying with regards to right wing ideology amongst young people in Israel and the education we can imagine Hamas impacting peace is a long way away.

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"27,000 dead & 67,000 wounded – 70% of whom are women & children. 1.7 million driven from their homes. 70% of the housing damaged or destroyed. Children facing starvation.

We cannot allow Netanyahu to continue his illegal, immoral war against the Palestinian people."

Bernie Sanders on Late Night With Seth Meyers.

There are over 120 hostages being held by Hamas who have been subject to the most vile abuse, including rape.
Thousands of rockets have been fired into Israel by Hamas, an organisation which declares its aim to be the murder of every Jewish person and who have said they will repeat the pogrom of 7.10 until they've achieved that aim. Hamas started this war they have refused to surrender, they use hospitals and schools as terrorist hideouts and they have systematically robbed aid in order to pursue their terror campaign.
Hamas oppress the people of Gaza, especially the women and refuse to hold elections.
And yet........ it's Israel which is the problem?
Bizarre.

Agreed. I would say it is simply to try to derail but there is zero point in responding as it never goes anywhere constructive at all.

Nowhere is safe ~ including the so-called safe zones.

There's no point engaging with the "but Hamassss" people.

@sunick it looks like you're new to this board as you are repeating insults, accusations and questions that have already been asked and answered a thousand times already on this board. May I suggest you take some time to go through them and stop wasting peoples time answering the same questions and accusations time and time again.

This is the last time I will engage with you as I feel it is a waste of my time as you refuse to acknowledge the blatant evidence/facts presented to you.
I despair that people still ignore what cannot be ignored.

No other country to my knowledge has warned civilians about bombing whilst engaged in a war.
Unlike Hamas Israel are doing their best to minimise casualties.
Why not direct your protests at Hamas who bear the full responsibility for this war?

Hams' founding document states their intent and they have repeated their intention frequently since 7.10.
The Israeli government have never stated that their intention is to commit genocide. That's a vile lie, furthermore it is clearly ridiculous given the fact that the Israelis warn civilians before bombing to suggest that is their intention.
Hamas committed the most appalling war crimes against civilians, they've fired thousands of rockets into Israel since 7.10 and they are refusing to release the hostages they've taken. They can end this war whenever they want.
How astonishing that you choose to ignore the reality of this war and target Israel.
And condone the ongoing rape of Israeli hostages by your refusal to consider them.

Stating your opinion without backing it up with facts is just that, an opinion.
Let's look at your post:
Hamas have stated their intention of committing genocide.
Indeed. The Israeli government has also stated the same intention, quite openly, too. For example, Agriculture Minister Avi Dichter referred to the ongoing conflict as “Gaza’s Nakba, another stated that Gaza should be erased and so on.
Israel is defending itself and warns civilians before bombing.
They do warn civilians and asked them to leave but then promptly bomb the "safe areas". Nowhere is safe in Gaza.
Your argument about Israel committing genocide is therefore completely disproved.
I don't think you understand how to construct a counter argument. See my first point.
Since you make no reference to the Israeli hostages can I assume that the rape, torture, murder and kidnapping of civilians is of no interest you you?
Never assume anything because, as the saying goes, it makes an ass of you and me.

@sunick the 'warnings' are laughable. Repeated displacement and then bombing 'safe zones'. The bombings are almost certainly unnecessary on this scale. The executions of civilians may well constitute war crimes. There is a big difference between self-defence and destruction of a population and their home, and plenty of alternatives to the current strategy.

@anotherfatyorkie when you see someone behaving in a sh*tty way, you probably don't take that as a green light to behave equally badly.

The same applies internationally.

Human rights aren't a race to the bottom. There are internationally recognised standards for conduct and it is a country's individual responsibility to strive to meet these.

"But the other kid did it" isn't accepted as an excuse in school. It shouldn't be a valid excuse in politics and war either.

Whether I care about the lives of innocent people isn't conditional upon whether someone else does.

Hamas have stated their intention of committing genocide. They're the ones you should be targetting.
They started this war in order to try to achieve that, Israel is defending itself and warns civilians before bombing.
Your argument about Israel committing genocide is therefore completely disproved.Since you make no reference to the Israeli hostages can I assume that the rape, torture, murder and kidnapping of civilians is of no interest you you?