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Dulra · 21/04/2024 21:57

Factsareimportantplease · 21/04/2024 21:40

Some Palestinian men are hamas. 30,000 hamas in gaza alone. Many more cheering. They aren't cheering now. Hamas disgust me. They should disgust everyone, raping, abusing, torture, vile.

The idf soldiers that act in that way also disgust me.

There are a lot of guilty men in this war.

Some Palestinian men are hamas.
Agreed* *
Hamas disgust me.
Agreed
The idf soldiers that act in that way also disgust me.
Agreed

Not every man or father is Hamas so accusing fathers of being responsible for their children's deaths is extremely offensive as I'm sure you can understand

Scirocco · 21/04/2024 21:50

@Factsareimportantplease

Some Palestinian men are Hamas fighters. Some are not.

Some Palestinian men took part in violence on October 7th. Some did not.

Yet, you chose to accuse Palestinian men - Palestinian fathers - of not giving a sh*t about their children's lives. You did not say Hamas fighters, or Hamas leadership, or any other specific subgroup. You said that about Palestinian men.

On a forum where several posters, myself included, have been clear that our friends, colleagues and in some cases family are in Palestine. Either you didn't stop to consider that your words might be read by people who actually know and care about some Palestinian men, or you realised and chose to say it anyway. And then when it was called out, you didn't apologise or take on board what people said, you tried to deflect and misrepresent your previous words.

There are a lot of guilty men in war. There are also a lot of bereaved and innocent men, and a lot of dead innocent men.

Factsareimportantplease · 21/04/2024 21:40

Scirocco · 21/04/2024 21:37

It wasn't what you said though.

What you said was a slander on the loved ones of posters here. What you said disrespected the memory of brave men who have died trying to protect their families and other vulnerable people, dismissed the pain and grief of bereaved parents, and falsely conflated Palestinian men and Hamas.

Some Palestinian men are hamas. 30,000 hamas in gaza alone. Many more cheering. They aren't cheering now. Hamas disgust me. They should disgust everyone, raping, abusing, torture, vile.

The idf soldiers that act in that way also disgust me.

There are a lot of guilty men in this war.

Scirocco · 21/04/2024 21:37

Factsareimportantplease · 21/04/2024 21:25

I'm not defensive, it's a fair comment. Where are the 30,000 hamas in Gaza. Have they no wife's or children. I mean seriously, the contortions people do to make out everyone in Gaza is innocent. It's frankly ridiculous.

It wasn't what you said though.

What you said was a slander on the loved ones of posters here. What you said disrespected the memory of brave men who have died trying to protect their families and other vulnerable people, dismissed the pain and grief of bereaved parents, and falsely conflated Palestinian men and Hamas.

Factsareimportantplease · 21/04/2024 21:33

So where are those men who spat at the body of murdered festival goers, and those who beat and kicked the hostages, faded back into gaza. We all saw them celebrating 7th October in their thousands. All innocent after cheering on hamas, back to bystanders again.

Complain again but the truth is online for all to see. If you find offensive that some Palestinian men joined in with 7th October, cheered, spat at bodies, beat hostages, then go complain, its factual.

EasterIssland · 21/04/2024 21:26

https://twitter.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1782008049240310159

These people deserve a hard death, an agonizing death. And instead, we see them enjoying the beach, having fun... We should have seen a lot more revenge, a lot more rivers of Gazans' blood."

Israeli journalist Yehuda Schlesinger on Israeli Channel 12.

https://twitter.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1782008049240310159

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Factsareimportantplease · 21/04/2024 21:25

Dulra · 21/04/2024 20:14

Saying that Hamas don't care about Palestinian people would be viewed by many as a fair comment

That wasn't just what you said. Do you know that the children's father's are Hamas? Because you blamed their fathers for their deaths in your deleted post.

Can't believe you're trying to defend it after been told how much your comment upset people

I'm not defensive, it's a fair comment. Where are the 30,000 hamas in Gaza. Have they no wife's or children. I mean seriously, the contortions people do to make out everyone in Gaza is innocent. It's frankly ridiculous.

PeasfullPerson · 21/04/2024 21:23

Well said @Scirocco

Palestinian man =/= Hamas

And in the instance where men truly are Hamas, I don’t personally believe it means that children should have their lives taken away/limbs blown off because of it.

And I don’t find it easy to believe when the IDF reports they have taken out members of Hamas, because there have been too many instances in which members of the IDF have shown themselves to be incompetent, callous, fascist liars with a disregard for human life.

And I don’t trust the Israeli government to hold accountable those members of the IDF, because they have incited and allowed this behaviour.

Scirocco · 21/04/2024 20:44

@Factsareimportantplease

You have demonstrated an impressive lack of a) understanding of facts and b) basic human decency.

Actually, plenty of reported posts do not get removed - for example if moderators feel something doesn't breach site guidelines or is better challenged in the thread. Your post was not removed just because it was reported. It was removed because it was offensive.

Your post did not say Hamas do not care about the lives of Palestinian children - it said that Palestinian men didn't give a sh*t about their children and are to blame for their children's deaths.

That is an abhorrent thing to say. Tens of thousands of Palestinian men have lost loved ones, including children. Palestinian men are risking their lives to find food for their children and other dependents. Palestinian men are being executed for efforts to protect the sick and vulnerable. Palestinian men are not all Hamas, although the IDF's AI tech might work on that basis.

As I said previously, some of us here have loved ones who are Palestinian and/or who are in Palestine. The men we care about who are being killed in Gaza and the West Bank are not Hamas fighters, and they very much do care about their families and other vulnerable people. When you're trying to win your internet points or whatever it is you think you're achieving, all you're actually doing is slandering innocent people by a) suggesting they don't care about the people they're desperately trying to protect or whose deaths are tormenting them, and b) falsely conflating them with Hamas.

I suggest you either apologise for the pain you've caused to people unfortunate enough to have read your post, or if you can't do that, then at least take your false accusations and cruelty somewhere else so those of us whose loved ones you're slandering don't have to see it.

Dulra · 21/04/2024 20:14

Factsareimportantplease · 21/04/2024 19:43

It wasn't victim blaming. 30,000 hamas fighters at the time if 7th October and saying that Hamas don't care about Palestinian people would be viewed by many as a fair comment 🙄

Saying that Hamas don't care about Palestinian people would be viewed by many as a fair comment

That wasn't just what you said. Do you know that the children's father's are Hamas? Because you blamed their fathers for their deaths in your deleted post.

Can't believe you're trying to defend it after been told how much your comment upset people

Factsareimportantplease · 21/04/2024 19:45

PeasfullPerson · 21/04/2024 16:20

Sorry for those of you who had to see a horrible post. It was gone by the time I got here so I can only make a guess at to what it said. Thankful to avoid it.

If someone reports something it tends to go regardless. As many people wd say. Not allowed to call out terrorists and what their actions lead to

Factsareimportantplease · 21/04/2024 19:43

Dulra · 21/04/2024 15:50

@Scirocco thanks for challenging them it was an extremely distasteful comment and thankfully has been deleted. I have challenged this poster before on their victim blaming. I guess it's the only way they can reconcile the atrocities the IDF are implicated in by blaming the victims for being bombed to death.

It wasn't victim blaming. 30,000 hamas fighters at the time if 7th October and saying that Hamas don't care about Palestinian people would be viewed by many as a fair comment 🙄

PeasfullPerson · 21/04/2024 16:20

Sorry for those of you who had to see a horrible post. It was gone by the time I got here so I can only make a guess at to what it said. Thankful to avoid it.

Dulra · 21/04/2024 15:50

@Scirocco thanks for challenging them it was an extremely distasteful comment and thankfully has been deleted. I have challenged this poster before on their victim blaming. I guess it's the only way they can reconcile the atrocities the IDF are implicated in by blaming the victims for being bombed to death.

Limesodaagain · 21/04/2024 15:47

Scirocco · 21/04/2024 15:42

@Factsareimportantplease what a vile thing to say when there are thousands of Palestinian men and women grieving for their children and other loved ones. Please remember that some people on this site have Palestinian loved ones. Some of our loved ones happen to be men. Who have lost their children, their entire families, everything. I hope you edit or request your post be deleted before more people in similar situations to me have to read that.

Yes - I think this post should be deleted . There are families who have lost everything. This sort of post increases the anger , fear and hatred.

Scirocco · 21/04/2024 15:42

@Factsareimportantplease what a vile thing to say when there are thousands of Palestinian men and women grieving for their children and other loved ones. Please remember that some people on this site have Palestinian loved ones. Some of our loved ones happen to be men. Who have lost their children, their entire families, everything. I hope you edit or request your post be deleted before more people in similar situations to me have to read that.

Factsareimportantplease · 21/04/2024 15:37

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Scirocco · 21/04/2024 13:40

Factsareimportantplease · 20/04/2024 18:46

The Houthis might fire at them, they attack boats at random and have killed innocent crew.

I don't think the Houthis tend to attack ships in the Mediterranean.

As @BelleHathor posted earlier, however, the IDF has a history of doing so.

ConnieCounter · 21/04/2024 12:11

PeasfullPerson · 21/04/2024 11:05

What kind of life has that poor child been fated with. It’s terrible to say, but it made me think of the times I’d read of children in Palestine wishing for their own death. I hope that child has somebody to love and care for them.

But don’t worry, nothing to see or do here, just another night of pain and death for the children in Gaza. And remember the 7th of October, and that the actions of this group of men fully justifies the death of these children.

Absolutely. I hope there's someone to look after the poor baby and that there's clean water and formula for them, and somewhere safe and warm to stay. I fear that there isn't.

Absolute terrorism is all this is.

PeasfullPerson · 21/04/2024 11:05

What kind of life has that poor child been fated with. It’s terrible to say, but it made me think of the times I’d read of children in Palestine wishing for their own death. I hope that child has somebody to love and care for them.

But don’t worry, nothing to see or do here, just another night of pain and death for the children in Gaza. And remember the 7th of October, and that the actions of this group of men fully justifies the death of these children.

Finallyloggedin · 21/04/2024 10:00

Heartbreaking 💔

EasterIssland · 21/04/2024 09:43

Poor baby. They’ve managed to rescue them but lost all family

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Finallyloggedin · 21/04/2024 08:39

Really: A poem by Ben Phillips (seen on X)

First verse:
It was never really done to those people.

Second verse:
Really someone else did it to those people.

Third verse:
We really had no choice but to do it to those people.

Fourth verse:
Those we did it to were not really people.

Repeat.

BelleHathor · 21/04/2024 07:51

I'm afraid the only ones with form for killing aid workers on flotilla's is the IDF.

Hence why it's taken so long for this project to get going, all the ships had to be "flagged" correctly to countries that would allow legal recourse if they are attacked and aid workers "killed" again.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/may/31/israel-kills-activists-flotilla-gaza

Israeli commandos kill activists on flotilla bound for Gaza

Ankara calls incident unacceptable as 10 members of aid convoy are killed during storming of Turkish ship in international waters

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/may/31/israel-kills-activists-flotilla-gaza

Factsareimportantplease · 20/04/2024 18:46

Finallyloggedin · 19/04/2024 18:26

https://x.com/gazafflotilla/status/1779469531867447554?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Just hope the most moral army in the world don’t decide greet them with the customary bombs and bullets.

The Houthis might fire at them, they attack boats at random and have killed innocent crew.