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Documenting Israeli army racism and torture Thread 3

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Desertrose2023 · 17/01/2024 14:17

Hi all

This is the third installment of the thread to highlight, discuss and raise awareness of the crimes being committed by the Israeli army on a daily basis in Palestine.

for anyone interested in reviewing the first two threads on this topic they can be found here.

thread 1

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/4943089-documenting-israeli-army-racism-and-torture

thread 2

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/4956890-documenting-israeli-army-racism-and-torture-thread-2?page=1

Documenting Israeli army racism and torture | Mumsnet

this thread is to document the racist, criminal and dehumanizing behaviour by the most “moral army in the world” both during its most recent bombardme...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/4943089-documenting-israeli-army-racism-and-torture

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Desertrose2023 · 17/02/2024 18:27

Ladyjanegreysketle · 17/02/2024 18:24

"The ICJ has decided there’s a plausible risk of genocide."

Yes.

"Anyone with eyes and half a brain cell can see it’s an actual genocide."

No.
ICJ will not based their findings on hyperbolic rhetoric.

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You’re right. The ICJ will base their findings on the facts including the murder of 12,000 Palestinian children, the decimation of all civilian infrastructure and the man made starvation forced on millions. Oh, and the genocidal rhetoric of the Israeli government. Good thing they’ve given them loads isn’t it ?

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Ladyjanegreysketle · 17/02/2024 18:24

Desertrose2023 · 17/02/2024 18:19

The ICJ has decided there’s a plausible risk of genocide.

Anyone with eyes and half a brain cell can see it’s an actual genocide.

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"The ICJ has decided there’s a plausible risk of genocide."

Yes.

"Anyone with eyes and half a brain cell can see it’s an actual genocide."

No.
ICJ will not based their findings on hyperbolic rhetoric.

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Desertrose2023 · 17/02/2024 18:19

Ladyjanegreysketle · 17/02/2024 18:18

And who has decided that?

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The ICJ has decided there’s a plausible risk of genocide.

Anyone with eyes and half a brain cell can see it’s an actual genocide.

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Ladyjanegreysketle · 17/02/2024 18:18

Desertrose2023 · 17/02/2024 18:15

Because it’s a genocide.

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And who has decided that?

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Desertrose2023 · 17/02/2024 18:15

Ladyjanegreysketle · 17/02/2024 17:58

Why ????

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Because it’s a genocide.

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Ladyjanegreysketle · 17/02/2024 17:58

Allourkids · 17/02/2024 16:51

It’s not a war, full stop.

Why ????

Ladyjanegreysketle · 17/02/2024 17:58

Tomatoshish · 17/02/2024 13:24

@ConnieCounter exactly! It's not a war at all.... you need at least 2 armies fighting for it to be a war.

Really.

So by that logic if there is no army then there isn't a war?

Babyboomtastic · 17/02/2024 16:58

It's not war. Its revenge/punishment.

Allourkids · 17/02/2024 16:51

It’s not a war, full stop.

Ladyjanegreysketle · 17/02/2024 16:40

@ConnieCounter This isn't a normal war.

So what's a "normal war" and how is this different?

ScrollingLeaves · 17/02/2024 15:01

ConnieCounter · 17/02/2024 13:17

https://www.instagram.com/p/C3b8RghOz2K/?igsh=a2NmZXRpa3U1OWJp

I've heard the "this is what happens in a war" nonsense all over these boards too. This isn't a normal war.

Yes, that ‘This is war. Too bad’ quip, is irritating and stupid.

There is no standard official ‘war method’ - setting out the numbers to be killed, how they are to be killed, how people are to be treated while alive, or how they are to be captured - common to all wars across all time, within all contexts.

inkworks273 · 17/02/2024 13:31

ConnieCounter · 17/02/2024 13:17

https://www.instagram.com/p/C3b8RghOz2K/?igsh=a2NmZXRpa3U1OWJp

I've heard the "this is what happens in a war" nonsense all over these boards too. This isn't a normal war.

Sobering figures. It is a stain on Israel that will never wash out.

Tomatoshish · 17/02/2024 13:24

@ConnieCounter exactly! It's not a war at all.... you need at least 2 armies fighting for it to be a war.

ConnieCounter · 17/02/2024 13:17

https://www.instagram.com/p/C3b8RghOz2K/?igsh=a2NmZXRpa3U1OWJp

I've heard the "this is what happens in a war" nonsense all over these boards too. This isn't a normal war.

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/p/C3b8RghOz2K?igsh=a2NmZXRpa3U1OWJp

inkworks273 · 17/02/2024 13:09

x.com/shaykhsulaiman/status/1758836634991169850?s=46

Claims that Israel bombed a bus full of passengers in Gaza, burning everyone to death.

anotherlevel · 17/02/2024 12:33

Happy birthday to him I hope the Palestinian who is blindfolded and tied up is enjoying it just as much.

Honestly do they not see themselves?
Disgusting.

www.instagram.com/p/C3cn4bpIueb/?igsh=NGFvMXo5Z3IyZHNu

BelleHathor · 16/02/2024 17:39

Jeremy Scahill of the Intercept gave an excellent interview on how Netanyahu and his government have weaponised misinformation and untruths in order to justify their acts in Gaza. By painting Palestinians as barbarians and dehumanising them, people are less likely to question the actions that the IDF is taking. The MSM has also failed as they amplify the Israeli claims and rarely go back to correct the record so many people repeat the debunked claims.

FOJN · 16/02/2024 17:21

niceandnew · 16/02/2024 16:20

Yes, I read that they were authorised in October of last year.

@Tomatoshish stated that "Israel has granted 12 new licenses for gas explorations off the coast of gaza to BP and 5 other gas companies." This implies that Israel is making profit off water that belongs to Gaza. Based on all that I've read this isn't factually correct which is why I called it a libel.

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It's only libel if you think Israel can own whatever it likes just by laying claim to it.

impactpolicies.org/news/372/gaza-coast-mining-under-israeli-licenses-violates-international-law

ConnieCounter · 16/02/2024 16:22

niceandnew · 16/02/2024 16:15

Documenting facts is fair.
I'm pointing out that documenting exaggerations and untruths is not okay

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Well can I suggest you take your own advice then.

niceandnew · 16/02/2024 16:20

FOJN · 16/02/2024 15:56

If I recall correctly the licenses were issued in spring/summer last year. I'm making no assumptions, I did a deep dive at the time.

Where is the libel?

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Yes, I read that they were authorised in October of last year.

@Tomatoshish stated that "Israel has granted 12 new licenses for gas explorations off the coast of gaza to BP and 5 other gas companies." This implies that Israel is making profit off water that belongs to Gaza. Based on all that I've read this isn't factually correct which is why I called it a libel.

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 16/02/2024 16:16

FOJN · 16/02/2024 16:08

Crikey, I missed

"because it was only a few that were beheaded, the rest were just killed... ?"

It's a really bad idea to claim to be a stickler for fact checking when you are repeating widely debunked lies.

One ten month baby was shot in cross fire. I'd describe that as horrific enough.

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Thank you! I wish people would stop spreading lies about October 7. Not only because the truth is bad enough, such lies are also being used to justify the atrocities being committed against the Palestinians.

niceandnew · 16/02/2024 16:15

ConnieCounter · 16/02/2024 16:03

Maybe you should check your facts because what you've stated there about October 7th is still incorrect.

Posters are not trying to catch Israel out. Documenting atrocities in a genocide shouldn't bother or threaten you.

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Documenting facts is fair.
I'm pointing out that documenting exaggerations and untruths is not okay

FOJN · 16/02/2024 16:08

ConnieCounter · 16/02/2024 16:03

Maybe you should check your facts because what you've stated there about October 7th is still incorrect.

Posters are not trying to catch Israel out. Documenting atrocities in a genocide shouldn't bother or threaten you.

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Crikey, I missed

"because it was only a few that were beheaded, the rest were just killed... ?"

It's a really bad idea to claim to be a stickler for fact checking when you are repeating widely debunked lies.

One ten month baby was shot in cross fire. I'd describe that as horrific enough.

ConnieCounter · 16/02/2024 16:03

niceandnew · 16/02/2024 15:48

You must make sure your facts are correct before libeling.
This thread is mostly made up of the same few posters scouring Instagram and twitter in order to catch out Israel and gloat over any of their wrongdoings.

Remember how Israel was called out for saying 40 babies were beheaded and the outrage because it was only a few that were beheaded, the rest were just killed... ?

So please check your facts before quoting "atrocities".

Maybe you should check your facts because what you've stated there about October 7th is still incorrect.

Posters are not trying to catch Israel out. Documenting atrocities in a genocide shouldn't bother or threaten you.

FOJN · 16/02/2024 15:56

niceandnew · 16/02/2024 15:48

You must make sure your facts are correct before libeling.
This thread is mostly made up of the same few posters scouring Instagram and twitter in order to catch out Israel and gloat over any of their wrongdoings.

Remember how Israel was called out for saying 40 babies were beheaded and the outrage because it was only a few that were beheaded, the rest were just killed... ?

So please check your facts before quoting "atrocities".

If I recall correctly the licenses were issued in spring/summer last year. I'm making no assumptions, I did a deep dive at the time.

Where is the libel?

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