Detainees, Truce and Agreements *title altered at OP's request*

Nice summary @Parkingt111 thank you

Just seen this update. Slightly long but I thought it would be best to include what both sides are saying right now

International mediators are continuing their efforts to secure a new pause in the fighting in Gaza, after brokering a one-week truce last month during which more than 100 hostages were released and some aid entered the war-torn region, Agence France Presse reports.
US news outlet Axios and Israeli website Ynet, both citing unnamed Israeli officials, reported that Qatari mediators had told Israel that Hamas was prepared to resume talks on new hostage releases in exchange for a ceasefire.
A Hamas delegation was in Cairo on Friday to discuss an Egyptian plan proposing renewable ceasefires, a staggered release of hostages for Palestinian prisoners, and ultimately an end to the war, sources close to Hamas said.
Islamic Jihad, another armed group fighting alongside Hamas, said on Saturday that Palestinian factions were “in the process” of evaluating the Egyptian proposal.
A response will come “within days”, the group’s chief negotiator, Muhammad al-Hindi, said.
Asked about the negotiations on Saturday, Netanyahu said Hamas had been “giving all kinds of ultimatums that we didn’t accept”.
“We are seeing a certain shift [but] I don’t want to create an expectation.”

@stormy4319trevor there's a thread started by@HeidiInTheBigCity
if you are interested

not wishing to disrupt@Parkingt111 s helpful posting just a FYI

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/4973246-south-africa-has-invoked-the-genocide-convention-against-israel-over-gaza

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A leicester MP tweeted this in response. Not sure if this is the right place, maybe this needs a separate thread to discuss South Africa invoking the Genocide convention

“I fully support South Africa invoking the Genocide Convention today, against Israel, at the International Court of Justice.
The UK government, prime minister and Labour party leader should consider their complicity and position.
Ceasefire now.”

@stormy4319trevor Legal cases are so slow to process , gathering evidence, submitting, arguing etc that it has to be about pressure.

If the ICJ refuses the case or slow walks it, what is the point of it's existence? the UN has been hampered in stopping the situation. International law has been ignored, so why should anyone follow it?.

Other states can "join" the case on either side, so countries will be forced to go on the record. America can't just ignore it, the IDF was extremely clever in ensuring that their weapons supplied by America have been filmed in action.

Give it about 72 hours for the articles on what could happen to come out and then we'll have a clearer picture.

@stormy4319trevor Biden has bypassed Congress a second time this month to approve emergency sales of weapons to Israel so I'm not sure what impact it will have on him

It seems Israel are using up their extensive weapon stash at a very speedy rate although I don't think anyone would be suprised by that just by looking at the sheer destruction of Gaza

Ahh ok no I didn't know that, it seems most of Netanyahu's gambles to stay in power have not paid off

The Israeli Government is a lost cause at this point. This move is squarely aimed at pressuring America. There are provisions in the Statute to charge anyone who assisted in the Genocide. Can you imagine the Biden administration being charged in an election year.

The ICJ does have teeth to "enforce" a sanction, however by the time a case is listed & tried without a ceasefire Gaza and the Gazans will be destroyed.

So it is a geopolitical chess game right now. Did you know that 2 of the UN security Council motions were raised by Brazil and Russia, both members of the BRICS alliance. Guess who another member is? South Africa. So they've obviously been coordinating.

America needs to decide if losing it's influence on the World stage is worth it. And seeing as China is Americas diplomatic successor, they're in a geopolitical pickle, rightly so.

One small positive is that Israel and Hamas are both back at the negotiating table

Cf a month ago when they both flounced off after the ceasefire broke down

So a small but important bit of progress

@Parkingt111 IDK doesn't Smot..... [sp] power lie in his ability to break the coalition if he doesn't get his own way? Rather than his role itself

Hmm not very positive. Israel needs to bring or agree to a long term workable plan. If Hamas are on the negotiating table and all they are going to say is we want our hostages but still going to continue with what we are doing to destroy you then I don't think they are likely to agree.

Yes there isn't. I am also finding Netanyahu's refusal to discuss the day after very concerning. I wouldn't be suprised if the US is frustrated by this too
One thing I don't understand is how does the finance minister hold authority to withhold funds. Surely Netanyahu gets the final say?

And then this

Hamas 'ready in principle' to resume talks over hostage release, Qatar tells Israel - report

Qatari mediators have told Israel that Hamas has “agreed in principle” to resume talks on the release of further hostages held in Gaza in exchange for a weeks-long pause in fighting, according to a report.

Citing three Israeli officials, Israel’s Walla news outlet is reporting that the Qatari mediators have conveyed a message to Israel that Hamas “agrees in principle” to return to the negotiating table to try to reach a deal.

@Parkingt111 not massively positive is it?

Really setting my expectations low atm

Brilliant, not one sided either. United together

I have just seen this update regarding the negotiations from the Israeli side

Ceasefire discussions
On the Egyptian claim that Cairo has tabled a proposal that would end the war, Mr Regev says his government is in contact with counterparts in the country.
"We've got good contacts with the Egyptians and with the Americans and we're talking to the Qataris as well," he says.
"Anything that can create a situation where we can get our hostages out... we're open to that," he adds, but caveats that Israel will still maintain its objective to "destroy Hamas's military machine".

https://x.com/Kahlissee/status/1740788117647274093?s=20

South Africa has just invoked the Genocide Acr in respect of the Israeli Governments actions. Bless them.

A protest against the war and rally calling for a ceasefire in Tel Aviv

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C1cR6F-Ivpu/?igsh=MTJqa280ejNwOWFwYg==

@moosmama123
sorry I didn't realise there was a list of things I couldn't discuss. Perhaps you need to make that more clear

Seriously do you think that's some kind of clever comment?

@BelleHathor good point. I wonder with the release of information it might put the screws on a bit with all involved.

If israel needs America as much as is talked about on here and risks losing support I assume things will have to give at some point.

I don't think even Netanyahu is that stupid or bull headed.