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Ohlalalalala · 2023-11-22T05:29:56+00:00

At least a bit of good news in the darkness: Israel's cabinet has approved a deal with Hamas to secure the release of 50 hostages being held in Gaza. The hostages will be released over a four-day pause in fighting, a statement from the Israeli prime minister's office says. Under the deal, the release of every additional 10 hostages will extend the pause in fighting by one day. The deal was approved by Israel's cabinet after a lengthy meeting that ran into the early hours of Wednesday. [[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-67481139 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-67481139]]

feralunderclass · 22/11/2023 12:47

And the UK do not "lock children up" without due process. There are rights, protections, legal routes to follow. The UK does not snatch children off the street and take them to unknown locations, without informing their parents, no access to legal representation, abusing them.... and all of these without even giving a reason! You are a terrorist merely because you are a Palestinian. You have made it clear you also hold this view.

MaatSeshat · 22/11/2023 12:44

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Ohlalalalala · 22/11/2023 12:43

I can't believe the pps decrying the release of Palestinian women and children detained illegally by Israel.

We should all cheer for the release of all hostages from both sides.

For those denying the genocide, here's my thread where you can have the experts opinion on the matter; not mine nor any other randomer on the internet:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/4948136-a-textbook-case-of-genocide

A Textbook Case of Genocide | Mumsnet

It's been very clear from the start that Israel -through rhetoric, tactics, etc.- intended to commit the crime of genocide in Gaza. This is so obvio...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/4948136-a-textbook-case-of-genocide

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feralunderclass · 22/11/2023 12:42

eardefender · 22/11/2023 12:36

Those in Israeli jails are not hostages they are terrorists. Hamas use children to commit acts of terror. In the UK we lock up many children as well, all countries do it depends on the age of criminal responsibility. We are still a democracy.

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Please provide evidence that they are all terrorists. International jurists are speaking up about Israel's gross human rights violations, particularly with regards to administrative detention. Israel, the only democracy in the ME, are the only country in the world that imprison children. These are hostages.

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Hamas control everything in Gaza, they are the government. Their infrastructure is built under schools and hospitals and camps built and financed by the WHO and UN and Unwra. The collusion between Hamas and these agencies is something that needs to be seriously looked at after the war.

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queenofarles · 22/11/2023 12:27

I’m glad about the hostages release on both sides ,

They are a democracy and the only one in the middle east
how do you explain the underage Palestinian children in Isreali prisons? One Palestinian girl is 16 , one prisoner is 14.

you can’t just repeat a lie and hope everyone else believes it without questioning it.

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Those in Israeli jails are not hostages they are terrorists. Hamas use children to commit acts of terror. In the UK we lock up many children as well, all countries do it depends on the age of criminal responsibility. We are still a democracy.

Jupitersstorm · 22/11/2023 12:32

Pretty generous of Israel given that this will time for Hamas to regroup.

CrackSpackle · 22/11/2023 12:32

Genocide is Hamas's intention. Not Israel's.

Listen to a former Hamas member on what the Hamas are doing to Palestinians. Torture, imprisonment, indoctrination, rape, starvation, shoving needles under their fingernails.

Hamas needs to be eradicated. If Hamas gave a shit about Palestinians they would leave Gaza and not use them as human shields and suicide bombers.

Israel advises where they are going to bomb so that people can evacuate.

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queenofarles · 22/11/2023 12:27

I’m glad about the hostages release on both sides ,

They are a democracy and the only one in the middle east
how do you explain the underage Palestinian children in Isreali prisons? One Palestinian girl is 16 , one prisoner is 14.

you can’t just repeat a lie and hope everyone else believes it without questioning it.

Lelophants · 22/11/2023 12:21

Oh god I hope those babies and children get back soon 😭

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Toothyfruity · 22/11/2023 12:05

whereaw · 22/11/2023 11:44

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Out of interest, besides calls for jihad of Jews across the globe (which extends to all non-Muslims) what do you think Hamas would like to do to YOU and your family and children, given the chance? Hamas are your enemy too, whether you can see it or not.

I suspect Hamas doesn't give a shit about me or my family.

But I don't buy into the nonsense that Hamas wants to take over the world.

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whereaw · 22/11/2023 11:44

@Toothyfruity
Out of interest, besides calls for jihad of Jews across the globe (which extends to all non-Muslims) what do you think Hamas would like to do to YOU and your family and children, given the chance? Hamas are your enemy too, whether you can see it or not.

backtowinter · 22/11/2023 11:23

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They haven't said this at all

eardefender · 22/11/2023 11:06

@Toothyfruity Yes, I definitely think Israel is the problem. Hamas wouldn't exist if Israel just respected Palestine's borders and its people

Can you explain what your definition of a palestinian is and what the borders of 'palestine' are?
It is baffling that you find Israel the problem, They are a democracy and the only one in the middle east and the only Jewish state in the world. They have been fighting antisemetic terrorism for decades.

eardefender · 22/11/2023 10:57

TooBigForMyBoots · 22/11/2023 10:38

I am so relieved for them and their families.

I am so sorry to say this as all decent people are desperate for their return but Hamas are so unreliable and have a track record of reneaging on deals and breaking ceasefires (see October 7th). I just cant see this going smoothly, I think that quite a few of the hostages may have died or been murdered. The so called 'green prince' said that Hamas loves Chaos and they thrive on it. This doesn't bode well for an orderly handover of hostages. The IDF have said they are very skeptical about Hams ability to stick to a deal and carry it out. We can only pray for these kids.

Toothyfruity · 22/11/2023 10:56

eardefender · 22/11/2023 10:51

@Toothyfruity Its a terrorist state so they are right to blockade and have security and to be fair, they should have had much more security and control of their border, otherwise October 7th would have been prevented. Blockades have not damaged hamas ability to steal aid and become billionaires and live in estates in Qatar, so clearly it hasn't affected their finances. The problem is not Israel the problem for Gazans is Hamas who steal from them and brutilize them. Hamas don't put Gazans in prison, they torture and murder them. After what Hamas did and has always done, do you really think Israel is the problem?

Yes, I definitely think Israel is the problem. Hamas wouldn't exist if Israel just respected Palestine's borders and its people.

eardefender · 22/11/2023 10:51

@Toothyfruity Its a terrorist state so they are right to blockade and have security and to be fair, they should have had much more security and control of their border, otherwise October 7th would have been prevented. Blockades have not damaged hamas ability to steal aid and become billionaires and live in estates in Qatar, so clearly it hasn't affected their finances. The problem is not Israel the problem for Gazans is Hamas who steal from them and brutilize them. Hamas don't put Gazans in prison, they torture and murder them. After what Hamas did and has always done, do you really think Israel is the problem?

eardefender · 22/11/2023 10:46

kiki50 · 22/11/2023 10:36

@eardefender
they're not interested in understanding who Hamas are because if they did try to really understand and do some actual reading, it would overturn their entrenched israelophobic, antisemitic views.

this 👋

Toothyfruity · 22/11/2023 10:39

eardefender · 22/11/2023 10:29

I don't think this deal is good for Israel. This enables hamas to still keep hold of 190 or so hostages which is still a huge amount. Hamas want all drones to cease so that they can move around and better prepare themselves, this will include moving not just equipment but civilians into human shield positions, which will cost more civilian and IDF soldiers lives.
Allowing ceasefire for hostages prolongs the war and also increases the value of hostages meaning that in the future it is more likely that Hamas and other terror groups will use the mass hostage tactic, which is pretty unthinkable.
The hostage situation has caused so much grief to Isreal do they really want to go through that again. It gives Hamas so much power.
Many are now questioning if 1,000 really should have been exchanged for Gilad Shalit, also bearing in mind that of those 1,000 bolstered Hamas and led to the attack on October7th.
I think they should have allowed the IDF to rescue hostages. They were probably a few weeks out of being able to rescue them all. However i do realise that many hostages probably would have died this way.

Wow. Your thoughts on this really blow my mind. Such disregard for the lives of both Palestinians and the hostages held by Hamas.

TooBigForMyBoots · 22/11/2023 10:38

I am so relieved for them and their families.