Thread 2 To think Hamas have given Israel the excuse they were looking for?

No I have not so you can apologise and take that back. I have said many many many times on various threads that I condemn Hamas and their actions
Why do you assume that because I am pro palestine that I am pro Hamas
Shame on you

@Parkingt111 "So I see you totally glossed over this terrible racist terrorist advocater, who is clearly a part of the wider problem in this war,"

So I see you have persistently totally glossed over the terrible racist terrorist advocators, who are clearly the cause of this war,

That is incorrect. Israel prevented Egypt from opening the crossing by repeatedly bombing it. They made it clear during many diplomatic meetings with Egypt, US, U.K. and UN that aid goes in on their terms, not Egypt’s.

Much like your fuel claim was also incorrect. I have to get to sleep now. But as of 45mins ago per the BBC quoting the UN no fuel has gone into Gaza.

@rosemaryandparsley you have been on many threads so I'm sure you know how the Rafah border is restricted partly by Israel. Especially in terms of aid
So unless you just like going round in circles

Also not forgetting how many times Israel bombed the Rafah border.

@WhiteHorseSpirit "Israel isn’t being expected to provide anything to Hamas.

They are expected to allow the aid from the rest of the world to enter Gaza for Palestinians."

They haven't stopped Egypt from opening the Rafah crossing, but Egypt chose not to do so.

I feel their right wing government is regressive in the area of LGBTQ tolerance. It’s bad for Israelis and Palestinians.

The video clip you posted doesn’t show them crossing into Gaza though. It shows them pulling off at Rafah crossing and parking with the Egyptian cement barrier behind them with Gaza on the other side of the barrier/border. There are many fuel trucks waiting there in the hope Israel will allow fuel.

The Rafah border is a very narrow gate. (See photo). You do not see anything like it in the news video. The reporters were mistaken as shown by the Israel and UN links I have provided earlier. You are choosing to disagree with both Israel and the UN…very odd.

23 October 2023
“The World Health Organisation said the aid would include trauma medicines and supplies for 1,200 people, as well as 235 portable trauma bags to stabilise injured people on-the-spot, while the United Nations convoy included around 44,000 bottles of drinking water – a day's supply for 22,000 people, according to UNICEF.”
”The Israeli military said the supplies would not include fuel and would only reach those in southern parts of Gaza, after civilians were told to flee the north.”
https://www.trendradars.com/h/article-263812-first-humanitarian-aid-flows-into-besieged-gaza-as-rafah-border-crossing-opens/

An excellent point, in fact, a fundamental one!!

It's abit like comparing oranges and apples here aren't we
So I see you totally glossed over this terrible racist terrorist advocater, who is clearly a part of the wider problem in this war, onto something that's not relevant to the discussion at all

So you are pro the settlers in the west bank who constantly harass the Palestinians there, to be armed?
You can just have a look at his twitter to see what he's all about

@WhiteHorseSpirit "Mr Ben Gvir isn’t inclusive by any measure:"

Maybe not but Israel is progressive in this area https://www.keshetuk.org/uploads/1/3/8/6/13861493/keshet_uk_factsheet_israel_mar13_v3.pdf

Whereas Saudi Arabia, Iran, Yemen, and Brunei have the death penalty for being homosexual.

Homosexuality is also outlawed in Egypt, Libya, Qatar, Syria and Gaza

Israel is in a very weird position, being expected to provide supplies to sustain their opponents.

I can see that it seems counterintuitive, but it's a norm and law of war - applying to all partie at war, not just Israel - that civilian populations must be allowed the bare necessities of life.

Water is one of them. As for fuel, other countries can pay, but Israel (and if it were the UK, Peru etc...) needs to allow it through. Hospitals are protected by law and convention, as are water treatment plants.

As there is no running water, let alone sewage works, I'm certain that we're soon going to to see cholera and typhoid, which is entirely avoidable. Tony Blair, among others, is likely to have committed a war crime, by having the RAF bomb Iraqi water treatment infrastructure and then refusing even UN inspected replacement parts.

To be honest, after what happened, I don't blame him.

It didn’t kick off conflict, it escalated it. If you research into the events in the Palestinian Occupied Territories and their apartheid conditions, you’d see things were far from peaceful before October 7th.

Earlier this year- UN concluded Israel has committed war crimes

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/04/1135602

Amnesty International also earlier this year
https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/MDE1568482023ENGLISH.pdf

2021- UNHCR approves investigating Israel’s war crimes

https://www.jns.org/un-human-rights-council-approves-measure-to-permanently-investigate-israel-over-war-crimes/

Similar was also going on to investigate Hamas war crimes….I’m sure you can take my word for terrorists also doing war crimes,

but my point is that this isn’t a new conflict. There’s a lot more if you look.

@WhiteHorseSpirit "Your video confirms no fuel entered Gaza…Israel itself is saying it denies any fuel sent in. The UN says no fuel went in. What happened is reporters thought some tanker lorries had fuel in them but they did not."

I disagree.
What the clip actually states is that Israel says that no fuel was delivered.
The tankers say on them quite clearly "Bahool & Salah Petroleum Company" and have on them the international logo for inflammable liquids.

No other liquid can be put in petrol tankers and I can't understand why empty tankers would be entering Gaza - it makes no sense.

She is another despicable woman.
Can't stand her

On the contrary he's fighting for more civilians to be armed and for the process to arm them be speeded up
Was filmed since the attack gleefully handing out guns to settlers
Which he sees as a great achievement

The guy's a loon, unfortunately! But that article is from Nov 2022. Hopefully he'll be sacked in light of the fact that he's hardly done a great job on security lately. Someone mentioned that the army was slow to respond on 7 October because they were busy elsewhere protecting some idiots setting up a Sukkah in Huwara...

The British Jews Against Occupation have spoken out regarding the Israeli Ambassador to the U.K. as well
”Tzipi Hotovely, the current Israeli Ambassador, is a racist. She has called Palestinians "thieves of history" and invited the fascist group Lehava to speak in the Knesset [Israel’s Parliament] about their often violent campaigns against relationships between Jews and individuals from other faiths. During her first event in the British Jewish community as ambassador she called the Nakba an "Arab lie", drawing strong criticism from The Abraham Initiatives and Rabbi Laura Janner-Klausner. “https://naamod.org.uk/campaigns/racism-not-kosher/

I saw her on the news her claiming there “was no humanitarian crisis in Gaza” on 16th October when it was clear it was a humanitarian crisis.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/israel-ambassador-uk-humanitarian-crisis-gaza_n_652d4472e4b03b213b06acab

This is what I don't get. They KNEW Israel would respond this way. They signed the death warrant of thousands of Palestinians. Why? Some say it's to do with Iran and it's anger at Isreal being normalised in the Middle East. Basically stirring the s@it and kick off conflict.

It is sickening that neither side has mentioned peace talks. Sickening.

What happened. Investigate for what? Did you misread the post?

Or are you posting on behalf of the survival of Hamas

Why is that important to you?

Mr Ben Gvir isn’t inclusive by any measure:
In 2006, Mr Ben-Gvir attended a so-called beast parade against Gay Pride, in which religious activists led goats and donkeys through the streets and hoisted banners calling LGBTQ people "impure". Two years later, he was photographed kicking a trans woman at Gay Pride in Tel Aviv. He later claimed it was in self-defence.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-65754104

@Parkingt111 I know FPTP gets some rightful criticism in the UK but at least it does keep the fringe loons out of ruling coalitions.
Not great at such a sensitive juncture.