Thread 2 To think Hamas have given Israel the excuse they were looking for?

@Wonkasworld so all this time we have pol going on about dhimmis from hundreds of years ago every hour and then we have this guy. Who literally advocates apartheid. Affirms that Jews have a superiority over the Arabs. In government. In israel. Inciting settler violence against palestinians. And then handing out guns to them

And we just shrug and move on. As if people like him are not part of the wider problem over here.

Quite right, it's not really a jokey situation.

No , that doesn't bode well.

If I take some of what you are saying, seriously, I will worry for myself.

@Wonkasworld and what about this guy. I am actually in shock that someone who advocates for apartheid policies. Who doesn't even try and mask his hatred of Palestinians. Who defends the settlers who terrorise the Palestinians in the west bank and gives them tips on how to get away with it. Is the security minister in Israel. What sort of democracy gives this vile man a seat on the table

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/25/far-right-extremist-itamar-ben-gvir-to-be-israel-national-security-minister

I wasn’t aware that we invited ISIS to tea? This is a serious situation, not one for such levity.

Yes, we should do a Corbyn and invite terrorists to tea. Is that one of your"numerous" options of dealing with them?

You do understand this is not an allowable justification to deny basic necessities to civilians in a war zone under international law? Israel do not have the legal right to block the aid or what they are doing which is let in so little aid it isn’t even enough for 0.1% of the civilian population to subsist on.

I didn't say it was full of Israelis. I've spoken to people on here who have said they are citizens of Israel

He isn't a normal shit head though is he. He is the minister of security that has been convicted of supporting terrorists amongst a long line of other crimes.

It was his support for Kahanist-style Jewish militancy that informed his legal career, advocating for the next generation of violent religious settlers. Among them were two men charged in the 2015 torching of a family home in a Palestinian village that killed an 18-month-old baby and his parents

don't normally give a shit about religion or politics.
That explains a lot.

The trouble is that all the usual strategies used in war are inevitably going to harm Gazan civilians too, since Hamas deliberately hide behind/among them.

While this is true in principle, the course that Israel’s War Council has chosen is the one that massacres the most civilians. It flagrantly ignores international law to at least try not to harm them. There are numerous other courses of action that could disable and capture Hamas without such loss of innocent lives.

The war on ISIS- a much bigger and better funded terrorist threat- proved that we can defeat terrorists in many cases without even killing their own families much less the civilians they lived amongst.

There is no excuse, no justification for what is happening to Gaza and now the West Bank.

@Parkingt111
Can any Israelis here enlighten me on what this hateful monster is doing in your government?

I'm not sure where you get the idea that this thread is full of Israelis?

I'm not Jewish, and don't normally give a shit about religion or politics.

Governments always have shitheads in them.

How is somebody who thinks like this incharge of security? Someone who is convicted of supporting TERRORISTS
iv just seen a video of him handing out guns to settlers as if hes handing out chocolate
Can any Israelis here enlighten me on what this hateful monster is doing in your government? What sort of democracy gives him such a position of power?

You do understand that Hamas siphons off support that should be reaching Palestinians, yes?

Israel isn’t being expected to provide anything to Hamas.

They are expected to allow the aid from the rest of the world to enter Gaza for Palestinians.

Their opponents are not Palestinians- or they should not be. The fact you think that Israel’s opponents are Palestinians means you are buying a narrative that justifies the ongoing war crimes.

So anyone who supports Palestinians is pro-Hamas? Political idols, really?
No-one here is defending them, what is it with these silly posts accusing anyone of supporting Palestinians supporting Hamas?
Stop insulting people's intelligence and accusing them of supporting terrorists.

Oh look! You just lumped in Palestinian civilians with Hamas. You literally just mentioned them in the same sentence. So regardless of what you intended, you are inciting genocide.

Gosh, this is much more fun than logical debate!

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The trouble is that all the usual strategies used in war are inevitably going to harm Gazan civilians too, since Hamas deliberately hide behind/among them.

Israel is in a very weird position, being expected to provide supplies to sustain their opponents.

The ideal solution would obviously be to invite Hamas and their supporters to come out peacefully with their hands up. Hmmmmm...

Hamas need to go for the safety of everyone, including Palestinian civilians. But they will fight tooth and nail to keep hold of power and keep murdering in the name of holy war.

Anyone will fully defending Hamas by pretending they don’t steal aid form their own people, use children as human shields, commit disgusting atrocities and threaten the safety of anyone who lives differently to them is bonkers- as if Hamas would defend you with the same leeway you give them.

I think we all know how it would go if most of the ‘Free Palestine’ lot met their political idols face to face.

Which “people” are in Gaza being bombed to death? Hmmm?
Thats not misrepresenting it is showing that putting in “people” for “Palestinian” fools no one as to the danger of such rhetoric.

Do you normally form your views based on how many people agree with them?

Oh yes I see you did some hard work turning it into a genocide incitement.

I enjoyed this particularly:

She said: '(Hamas) are protected by people either by fear or misplaced loyalty.'

Strangely, you changed this to: 'Then claiming “Hamas are protected by” Palestinians'

So 'people' changed to 'Palestinians'.

I'm sure you didn't notice you had done that. You'd never want to misrepresent someone who disagrees with you to get them banned.

On a separate note what an earth is Israel doing with having this man as their security minister. A vile vile man. A convicted criminal convicted of supporting a terrorist group?? Despicable man. How has this been allowed?

Ben-Gvir, a settler in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, has faced charges of hate speech against Arabs and was known to have a portrait in his living room of Israeli-American terrorist Baruch Goldstein, who massacred 29 Palestinian Muslim worshipers and wounded 125 others in Hebron, in the 1994 Cave of the Patriarchs massacre. He removed the portrait after he entered politics.[3] He was also previously convicted of supporting a terrorist group known as Kach, which espoused Kahanism, an extremist religious Zionist ideology.[6]