Thread 2 To think Hamas have given Israel the excuse they were looking for?

@rosemaryandparsley yes, you’re probably right, Hamas no doubt planning to steal more fuel to add to their stockpile.

Shocking but in a way not unexpected.

I expect they are waiting to hi-jack the next Aid convoy/

From the Guardian:

“Hamas militants have stopped people from approaching the Rafah crossing,a US state department spokesperson said.
Speaking to CNN, Matthew Miller said the sporadic presence of Hamas at the crossing has made the situation “extremely difficult”.
At times, Hamas has had no one there manning the border station. At other times, we have seen Hamas militants actively there with guns preventing people from approaching the crossing.”

Shocking.

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Good day

Thank you for that clarification

You have it from Zahir Mohsen, 46 years ago, not the horse's mouth. It isn't up to this man to take away people's identities or define them according to his views and beliefs. He certainly does not speak for all Arabs.
I take it you didn't just copy and paste his words, but also know his political ideology and the faction of the PLO to which he belonged? That should tell you that he wasn't the definitive voice of Palestine. There is a reason it's called the Ba'athist perception.

@Parkingt111 @ChickHenLittle

This statement by a member of the PLO’s Executive Council, made during an interview with the Dutch newspaper “Trouw” in 1977 is about the most authoritative statement available:

“The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct Palestinian people to oppose Zionism."

“For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.”

And there you have it from the horse's mouth

Palestine now is only the west bank and Gaza strip area, I'm sure.
I don't know if @Parkingt111 will have the same view as me, but I'd say anyone born in those regions, or to Palestinian parents, is Palestinian/of Palestinian descent. I imagine those descended from people born in former Palestinian territories could also claim Palestinian heritage.

@Parkingt111 You asked me if I was 'anti-Palestinian'. So I tried to clarify what you meant by a 'Palestinian'. Just so we are talking about the same ethnic group.

I'm surprised you can't tell me where you think 'Palestine' is, considering you are going to great lengths to to advance the cause of these people.

So where do you think 'Palestine' actually is ?

OK
This is what I consider to be a Palestinian
A native or inhabitant of Palestine. Or a person of palestinian descent

I'm not interested in what Google says, I'm interested in what you consider to be a Palestinian.

According to Google dictionary

a native or inhabitant of Palestine, or a person of Palestinian descent.

You tell me what a 'Palestinian' is and I'll answer your question.

Agreed
Let's pray for a better tomorrow

Thanks for sharing this.

Not just Hamas then.

Wow yet people sing and celebrate. Shakes head in disbelief.

👏 very good point

If Hamas are crushed, eradicated or broken down as a terrorist group then the Palestinian people might get a much better life going forward. Afterall what has Hamas ever done for ordinary people whom they use as human shields, divert aid meant for them and commit acts which demand some form of response

Give over with the constant calling people dark souls.
Get over yourself.
People have different views.

Lots of the world stand with Israel and its right to defend itself. Very few stand with Hamas. Leaders around the world understand why Israel wishing to crush the terrorist group Hamas. Its a war situation.

No worries, I agree! There seem to be very few safe places at the moment.
It's always ordinary people suffering due to those in power (in this case, including Hamas as in power).

Many in Egypt do in fact dislike Palestinians:

'Many fear disclosing their Palestinian identity due to discrimination and the campaigns which have been whipped up by Egyptian media against them time and time again since the late 1970s.'

The assassination of then culture minister, Yusuf Al-Sibai in early 1978 at the hands of a militant Palestinian faction also played a decisive role in Egypt's new hostility towards its Palestinian refugees.

...Here Amal is referring to the military coup which saw General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi take power, ousting the late Mohamed Morsi. This ushered in a period which saw Palestinians heavily demonised by Egyptian media – a trend which has precedent in Egypt.

In the aftermath of the 2013 military coup, Egyptian media platforms accused Palestinians of agitating for the revolution, infiltrating Egypt's borders, and organising jailbreaks.'

The article doesn't explain, of course, but Hamas is related to the Muslim Brother hood, represented by Morsi. Egyptians who oppose the MB suspect Palestinians in Egypt of supporting it.

No recognition, no rights: Palestinians in Egypt (newarab.com)

Sorry @ChickHenLittle I meant heat but you understood what I meant 😀

Yes, you're right but I'd also hazard a guess that they don't want the hear it will bring on them, to put it in basic terms.

Yes, I agree.