AIBU to feel horrified at the number of Motability vehicles being provided?

I have no idea how this person's husband swung that one. It certainly wouldn't have been possible in the NHS organisation where I work. Policies are generous and I won't dispute that. When my dad died, I had 2 weeks off in a combination of bereavement and carer leave (my mother needed my presence while I put things in place for her). When my husband died, I had a total of 5 weeks off, 3 of which were planned annual leave, the others were a combination of bereavement and special leave due to the very difficult circumstances of his death. I appreciated all of it. But 12 months?

And he would obviously be eligible for that & any sick pay.

The carer of someone sick isn't eligible for sick pay. That's not right at all & as the OP in that post has said they just needed a friendly GP to pull that one off. PIP & in particular the high rate of mobility needed for the motability scheme can't be fabricated by a quick note from a GP. It needs pages of evidence & is often rejected & appealed.

But yet the endless threads are hating on PIP & motability which every claimant has proved they are eligible for & not on the people actually claiming things they technically shouldn't

Her husband does get PIP though.

The reason that credit is given for the mobility leases is it's taken at source. Hence the mobility charity is paid before any remaining benefit.
Basically it can't bounce!
Someone who has been ill may have built up debt as their sick pay is tiny vis a vis their normal salary. Mine was.
Three months savings is recommend for emergencies but if you're ill longer than that you can be in dire straights.

They would only need to meet the same criteria if car finance people decided they needed to. They could decide someone on higher mobility pip etc had enough income if they wanted to.

It would be different though, because disabled people would need to meet the same criteria for creditworthiness as other people - which they may well not be able to do.
I'm glad you don't think it should be scrapped.

Your post is so eloquent, @LathkillDale - and encapsulates exactly what is wrong with the posts that criticise people for getting a Motability car - or indeed, any other disability aid or benefit. Do these people not think we would far rather not need these things, for ourselves or our much loved family member?

Yes, I got wheelchair assistance at the airport, and was on the plane ahead of almost everyone else, but I would far rather be able to walk well enough not to need the assistance. My disability massively limits what I can do - and without the assistance I get (DLA, a wheelchair, a blue badge) I would pretty much never be able to leave the house.

No, I didn't suggest that it was scrapped. Stop reading things i didn't say. I said that if it was people would lease a car as it's not much different. I.e. People aren't being given a car. They are just leasing one.

I think Scarcity is trying to understand the point of view of the Motability scheme's opponents, rather than advocating for the ending of the scheme, and she's noticing that their hatred makes very little logical sense.

She's right that if the scheme ended, claimants would still have their high rate mobility award and many might manage to lease cars on the open market, just the same as now (but with far greater inconvenience). The answer is that the opponents of the scheme have no flipping idea how it works, so they don't realise that.

Well, you suggested that we could just scrap Motability and people with disabilities could go through normal leasing processes. I pointed out a barrier that should have been obvious to anyone and wondered why you made the suggestion at all, given how incredibly obvious the barrier is.

What makes you think i want to make things harder.🙄

My point was that only a small proportion of reported abuse/misuse leads to action, many of the reports will be from people who don’t understand the system. Some, I’m sure will be malicious. I support the ethos of the Motability scheme, and Blue Badges.

But she still gwts the HRM so you could say that payment is subsidising your ability to buy her a car ?
So nothing to do with morals
Its whatever works for the indvidual
A mobilty car works for my son
Other people use the payment to help fund taxis etc
Others might use it to buy a second hand car

It's comparing the hate towards PIP & notability compared with the overwhelming understanding towards someone claiming 12 months sick pay.

Someone in UC , PIP & eligible for motability is automatically under suspicion for being a burden but someone who receives way more through sick pay for identical circumstances is automatically seen as 'worthy' and deserving rather than a burden.

The person claiming the 12 months 'sick' does not have to go through the complex process of applying for benefits they just need a single doctor to view them as the 'right type' of person & they get a professional salary for a whole year (or more)

I'm just noticing the stark difference between the reactions on here to people who may have identical circumstances. Very polarized who is/isn't deserving

I don't think the numerous threads on motability have anything to do with motability it's to do with who deserves what.

But she still receives her high rate mobility PIP?

What has this got to do with Motability?

And you were able to do that. Great for you. Other families with disabled members are not able to do that.

And your DD still claimed the PIP, so no moral high ground for you.

Not necessarily - to lease a car, you need decent credit. People with disabilities and their families are less likely to have sufficient credit to be allowed a lease.

Why do you want to make things harder for people with disabilities?

And what is your solution? Abolish the Motability scheme, even though it makes a profit for car manufacturers and thereby contributes positively to the UK economy?

So nothing to do with morals, at all, and more to do with the fact that she has the support of family, buying her a car.
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There's another thread about a woman whose husband has cancer & she's managed to claim 12 months of sick pay for herself. She has no illness herself but is claiming for the (completely valid) distress & mental health it's causing.

Every time someone quite rightly questions why she's got a sick note when she should really be claiming compassionate leave, carers leave or unpaid leave the comments are swiftly removed because it's upsetting her.

There's a bit of double standards going on here.

There are way more people working in the state sector on decent salaries who are managing to fiddle the system to get 12 months paid 'sick' leave to deal with personal issues & 'stress' with GPs ready to hand out no quibble 12 month sick notes to the 'right type' of person than there are people claiming motability cars.

Full State sector sick pay for 12 months is costing the tax payer more than motability

nah..we bought her car

I've come to understand that a significant number of literate people with (presumably) the capacity to live independently have become convinced that Motability cars are simply awarded to people in addition to a PIP payments.

You are splitting hairs. There is no real difference between a household and a business in terms of budgeting, etc.

As I said, unlike a business, the government is a currency issuer, it has the Bank of England to change interest rates, it has other levers like tax to control the economy and it has to think about the macroeconomic effects of what it does.

That link is about the country not being a household, not a business. And yes, the country does need to operate as a business. It doesn’t need to make a profit but it does need to balance the books. No business, country or household will survive if it doesn’t operate within its means or takes on debt that it cannot afford to service. And yes, the country is an issuer of currency but they can’t simply do that because, as you say, they have to consider the macroeconomic effect.