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AIBU to feel horrified at the number of Motability vehicles being provided?

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DawnRaiderNight · 22/10/2026 19:36

Just read this in the Telegraph about what the Americans think of our welfare spending:

“It also shocks Americans to learn that almost one in every five new cars sold in Britain is provided through Motability, the taxpayer-backed car scheme. The equivalent in the United States would be every Chevy, GMC, Buick and Cadillac sold through welfare. Or every Ford”

One of my friend’s daughters, aged 27, who has never worked, has several children with various diagnoses and is a single parent recently received a top of the range car, got to choose the colour and was given a ‘big reveal’ at the garage when she collected it. She has now been given a new four bedroomed detached house, something my own hardworking children could never manage.

Something is very, very wrong in this country.

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pointythings · Today 21:18

Kirbert2 · Today 21:03

What do you define as rubbish?

Anything that isn't gruel and stale bread. People on benefits aren't allowed treats and fun, ever. Even those who work.

pointythings · Today 21:15

alphabetti · Today 20:51

They are most certainly not fiction if it helps people il go report. Nothing seems to come of it though! I reported a relative of my exs who slagged me off to a close friend not realising the link called me all sorts of awful things and said i was main factor for her mental health! if anything i’d always tried to be kind to her. She has told me she claims PIP for anxiety and depression and that she can’t leave the house, can’t wash herself. She’s lying she goes out shopping, would try come visit me even when told her could not have her round as was working from home and she has multiple holidays. I reached my limit and reported and nothing seems to have came from it. Absaloute joke!! Meanwhile there working people struggling to pay for basic living and hanging on by a thread trying to juggle home life and work balance. Workers only get £12500 tax free but someone on benefits can get £3000 a month tax free by time receive all benefits and it’s simply unfair

If nothing comes of it, that'll be because there's nothing going on.

You just admitted that you have reported someone out of spite!

Voucher schemes have been tried, with negative outcomes except for black marketeers.

You need to stop conflating UC and PIP - doing so makes you looked enough less credible.

Lastly, PIP is not an out of work benefit.

XenoBitch · Today 21:08

alphabetti · Today 20:55

If your child’s money is being spent on care or things that have a direct improvement on their health and daily needs/education there’s no issue. It’s the huge amount of benefits being paid out for and a lot of it being spent on rubbish that’s the issue.

How do you know how much of PIP is spent on rubbish?
It is not tracked in any way. When people apply for PIP, they are not asked about their spending, and they are not asked about it when they are claiming.
Why do you think you know better?

XenoBitch · Today 21:06

alphabetti · Today 20:51

They are most certainly not fiction if it helps people il go report. Nothing seems to come of it though! I reported a relative of my exs who slagged me off to a close friend not realising the link called me all sorts of awful things and said i was main factor for her mental health! if anything i’d always tried to be kind to her. She has told me she claims PIP for anxiety and depression and that she can’t leave the house, can’t wash herself. She’s lying she goes out shopping, would try come visit me even when told her could not have her round as was working from home and she has multiple holidays. I reached my limit and reported and nothing seems to have came from it. Absaloute joke!! Meanwhile there working people struggling to pay for basic living and hanging on by a thread trying to juggle home life and work balance. Workers only get £12500 tax free but someone on benefits can get £3000 a month tax free by time receive all benefits and it’s simply unfair

You sound like a shit friend if you said you are supportive of someone then reported them.
Maybe nothing came of it because she was not doing anything wrong. BTW, if you reported her, you would not be told of the outcome anyway.
People with depression are allowed to leave the house and go on holiday. I do both.

Kirbert2 · Today 21:03

alphabetti · Today 20:55

If your child’s money is being spent on care or things that have a direct improvement on their health and daily needs/education there’s no issue. It’s the huge amount of benefits being paid out for and a lot of it being spent on rubbish that’s the issue.

What do you define as rubbish?

roaringdragon · Today 21:01

alphabetti · Today 20:55

If your child’s money is being spent on care or things that have a direct improvement on their health and daily needs/education there’s no issue. It’s the huge amount of benefits being paid out for and a lot of it being spent on rubbish that’s the issue.

Well your plan for disability benefits is pointless then and would cost more to administer than it would save. The majority spend far more on disability related expenses than they receive in disability benefits.

alphabetti · Today 20:55

roaringdragon · Today 20:45

PIP isn’t just for funding care. In fact, lots will receive care via social care or the ICB on top of PIP.

My DSs’ benefits aren’t spent on care fees but their benefits are spent on other disability related expenses. We spend far more on disability related costs that aren’t care than they receive in benefits. They receive funding for care on top, which costs far more than PIP.

If your child’s money is being spent on care or things that have a direct improvement on their health and daily needs/education there’s no issue. It’s the huge amount of benefits being paid out for and a lot of it being spent on rubbish that’s the issue.

ThePieceHall · Today 20:53

alphabetti · Today 20:39

Those with genuine need deserve good quality care so we need to pay for it if they can’t afford it themselves. We need to cut back the amount spent on PIP that’s not being spent on actual care needs.

I read an article which showed 60% of UC claimants have deductions taken from their payment. Many of those are for debt. Definitely money management skills are needed to be taught and yes i would consider a move towards supermarket vouchers or direct payments towards gas/electricity/water they have to be paid for anyway and i’d be happy if someone was paying my gas/electricity/water etc

Some people don’t like to hear it but we have an issue with people not taking any personal responsibility towards themselves they just expect someone else to pay for them and that kind set needs to change as we can’t continue at this rate

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I don’t know what you class as care needs but my DD1 is blind and disabled. Her most recent pair of glasses cost £450 because she is a teen and doesn’t want to look like she’s wearing milk bottle bottoms. I paid off my mortgage at 32, I have zero debt, I have no credit card, no catalogue accounts, I shop like a ninja. I have to claim UC as I’m unable to work as my two adopted children have complex disabilities and significant care needs. I wonder if you might consider my two children as worthy of good quality care? I also wonder if you would prefer that care to come from me at £86 per week via my Carer’s Allowance or if you would be happy for me to admit defeat and relinquish my challenging and violent children to the state to be accommodated at a cost locally of £17K each per week?

Kirbert2 · Today 20:52

alphabetti · Today 20:39

Those with genuine need deserve good quality care so we need to pay for it if they can’t afford it themselves. We need to cut back the amount spent on PIP that’s not being spent on actual care needs.

I read an article which showed 60% of UC claimants have deductions taken from their payment. Many of those are for debt. Definitely money management skills are needed to be taught and yes i would consider a move towards supermarket vouchers or direct payments towards gas/electricity/water they have to be paid for anyway and i’d be happy if someone was paying my gas/electricity/water etc

Some people don’t like to hear it but we have an issue with people not taking any personal responsibility towards themselves they just expect someone else to pay for them and that kind set needs to change as we can’t continue at this rate

Edited

The government isn't going to spend a fortune on care when the cheaper option is to have carers allowance and DLA/PIP.

I'd hate a voucher system and I'm glad that it doesn't seem to be going that way. People determined to take advantage of the system will always find a way and genuine people shouldn't be punished for that.

alphabetti · Today 20:51

pointythings · Today 20:38

Because they're fiction.

They are most certainly not fiction if it helps people il go report. Nothing seems to come of it though! I reported a relative of my exs who slagged me off to a close friend not realising the link called me all sorts of awful things and said i was main factor for her mental health! if anything i’d always tried to be kind to her. She has told me she claims PIP for anxiety and depression and that she can’t leave the house, can’t wash herself. She’s lying she goes out shopping, would try come visit me even when told her could not have her round as was working from home and she has multiple holidays. I reached my limit and reported and nothing seems to have came from it. Absaloute joke!! Meanwhile there working people struggling to pay for basic living and hanging on by a thread trying to juggle home life and work balance. Workers only get £12500 tax free but someone on benefits can get £3000 a month tax free by time receive all benefits and it’s simply unfair

XenoBitch · Today 20:46

alphabetti · Today 20:39

Those with genuine need deserve good quality care so we need to pay for it if they can’t afford it themselves. We need to cut back the amount spent on PIP that’s not being spent on actual care needs.

I read an article which showed 60% of UC claimants have deductions taken from their payment. Many of those are for debt. Definitely money management skills are needed to be taught and yes i would consider a move towards supermarket vouchers or direct payments towards gas/electricity/water they have to be paid for anyway and i’d be happy if someone was paying my gas/electricity/water etc

Some people don’t like to hear it but we have an issue with people not taking any personal responsibility towards themselves they just expect someone else to pay for them and that kind set needs to change as we can’t continue at this rate

Edited

Cutting back on PIP wont make it better for the people still on it.
You are incredibly naive to think so.

roaringdragon · Today 20:45

alphabetti · Today 20:39

Those with genuine need deserve good quality care so we need to pay for it if they can’t afford it themselves. We need to cut back the amount spent on PIP that’s not being spent on actual care needs.

I read an article which showed 60% of UC claimants have deductions taken from their payment. Many of those are for debt. Definitely money management skills are needed to be taught and yes i would consider a move towards supermarket vouchers or direct payments towards gas/electricity/water they have to be paid for anyway and i’d be happy if someone was paying my gas/electricity/water etc

Some people don’t like to hear it but we have an issue with people not taking any personal responsibility towards themselves they just expect someone else to pay for them and that kind set needs to change as we can’t continue at this rate

Edited

PIP isn’t just for funding care. In fact, lots will receive care via social care or the ICB on top of PIP.

My DSs’ benefits aren’t spent on care fees but their benefits are spent on other disability related expenses. We spend far more on disability related costs that aren’t care than they receive in benefits. They receive funding for care on top, which costs far more than PIP.

alphabetti · Today 20:39

Kirbert2 · Today 20:22

I highly doubt that would actually save money. Good quality care packages are expensive.

Not to mention how much it would cost to implement and that it would also be argued that UC, child benefit etc shouldn't be cash either unless we believe that only disabled people can't be trusted with cash benefits.

Those with genuine need deserve good quality care so we need to pay for it if they can’t afford it themselves. We need to cut back the amount spent on PIP that’s not being spent on actual care needs.

I read an article which showed 60% of UC claimants have deductions taken from their payment. Many of those are for debt. Definitely money management skills are needed to be taught and yes i would consider a move towards supermarket vouchers or direct payments towards gas/electricity/water they have to be paid for anyway and i’d be happy if someone was paying my gas/electricity/water etc

Some people don’t like to hear it but we have an issue with people not taking any personal responsibility towards themselves they just expect someone else to pay for them and that kind set needs to change as we can’t continue at this rate

pointythings · Today 20:38

XenoBitch · Today 20:23

Why have you not reported them then?

Because they're fiction.

XenoBitch · Today 20:23

alphabetti · Today 20:08

There are many genuine disabled people who will be struggling even on enhanced PIP due to the cost of care. BUT we do need to face the fact that the benefit bill is huge and constantly increasing. I know someone who barely worked a day in her life and lives alone in a 3 bed council house all rent covered and only has to pay £10 a month council tax and gets enhanced PIP as she says she can barely walk and feels suicidal because of it. She spends her days in the gym, drinking and takes drugs at raves! I’ve been on nights out and witnessed her getting up dancing on tables and saying please no one film me il have the DWP on my back!

Another woman claims she can’t wash herself and needs her niece to stay overnight but it’s all lies and she is up and about on school runs with her grandchildren and has an on the side business regularly doing church fairs etc She’s forever booking holidays abroad! Got a housing association property with spare bedroom “for a carer to stay”

Another woman barely worked a day in her life says her daughter has ADHD perhaps she does but lets her have ridiculous amount of screen time and constant sweets and coke. Really don’t think that’s helping her child! They have all rent paid and go on expensive outings she says that’s what child DLA is for!

There are many working families who don’t qualify for social housing and stuck paying high rents and have no spare money for holidays/days out. Paying huge amounts of council tax and struggling to help their child get through university. Many working mothers exhausted from raising children whilst working full time. Hardly fair!

I don’t think many people want to have a disability or child with disability so maybe time to consider move to care packages of good quality care make sure if you need help showering someone comes in and does a good service etc if you struggling to prepare meals you get provided with good quality meal. Supermarket vouchers where you can only redeem using photo ID and proof of NINO unlimited cash is not the answer

Why have you not reported them then?

Kirbert2 · Today 20:22

alphabetti · Today 20:08

There are many genuine disabled people who will be struggling even on enhanced PIP due to the cost of care. BUT we do need to face the fact that the benefit bill is huge and constantly increasing. I know someone who barely worked a day in her life and lives alone in a 3 bed council house all rent covered and only has to pay £10 a month council tax and gets enhanced PIP as she says she can barely walk and feels suicidal because of it. She spends her days in the gym, drinking and takes drugs at raves! I’ve been on nights out and witnessed her getting up dancing on tables and saying please no one film me il have the DWP on my back!

Another woman claims she can’t wash herself and needs her niece to stay overnight but it’s all lies and she is up and about on school runs with her grandchildren and has an on the side business regularly doing church fairs etc She’s forever booking holidays abroad! Got a housing association property with spare bedroom “for a carer to stay”

Another woman barely worked a day in her life says her daughter has ADHD perhaps she does but lets her have ridiculous amount of screen time and constant sweets and coke. Really don’t think that’s helping her child! They have all rent paid and go on expensive outings she says that’s what child DLA is for!

There are many working families who don’t qualify for social housing and stuck paying high rents and have no spare money for holidays/days out. Paying huge amounts of council tax and struggling to help their child get through university. Many working mothers exhausted from raising children whilst working full time. Hardly fair!

I don’t think many people want to have a disability or child with disability so maybe time to consider move to care packages of good quality care make sure if you need help showering someone comes in and does a good service etc if you struggling to prepare meals you get provided with good quality meal. Supermarket vouchers where you can only redeem using photo ID and proof of NINO unlimited cash is not the answer

I highly doubt that would actually save money. Good quality care packages are expensive.

Not to mention how much it would cost to implement and that it would also be argued that UC, child benefit etc shouldn't be cash either unless we believe that only disabled people can't be trusted with cash benefits.

alphabetti · Today 20:08

There are many genuine disabled people who will be struggling even on enhanced PIP due to the cost of care. BUT we do need to face the fact that the benefit bill is huge and constantly increasing. I know someone who barely worked a day in her life and lives alone in a 3 bed council house all rent covered and only has to pay £10 a month council tax and gets enhanced PIP as she says she can barely walk and feels suicidal because of it. She spends her days in the gym, drinking and takes drugs at raves! I’ve been on nights out and witnessed her getting up dancing on tables and saying please no one film me il have the DWP on my back!

Another woman claims she can’t wash herself and needs her niece to stay overnight but it’s all lies and she is up and about on school runs with her grandchildren and has an on the side business regularly doing church fairs etc She’s forever booking holidays abroad! Got a housing association property with spare bedroom “for a carer to stay”

Another woman barely worked a day in her life says her daughter has ADHD perhaps she does but lets her have ridiculous amount of screen time and constant sweets and coke. Really don’t think that’s helping her child! They have all rent paid and go on expensive outings she says that’s what child DLA is for!

There are many working families who don’t qualify for social housing and stuck paying high rents and have no spare money for holidays/days out. Paying huge amounts of council tax and struggling to help their child get through university. Many working mothers exhausted from raising children whilst working full time. Hardly fair!

I don’t think many people want to have a disability or child with disability so maybe time to consider move to care packages of good quality care make sure if you need help showering someone comes in and does a good service etc if you struggling to prepare meals you get provided with good quality meal. Supermarket vouchers where you can only redeem using photo ID and proof of NINO unlimited cash is not the answer

Kirbert2 · Today 19:19

Seymour5 · Today 19:13

Social housing is extremely hard to get, and the days of waiting on a list til you get one are long gone. The allocations policy is based on ‘need’, and that can be subjective. And people who are ‘given’ a house, are getting an affordable lifetime tenancy.

Some people with disabilities are in completely unsuitable and expensive housing because there are few suitable social rented properties, similarly the old and frail. Most private tenants are at a disadvantage. More expensive, no security of tenure. Definitely time for England to withdraw the Right to Buy. Wales and Scotland took action some years ago.

It is very hard to get which means there was probably very good reason for OP's friends daughter. It's likely she doesn't know all of the details.

I only waited a month for my social house due to the circumstances at the time. The circumstances have to be pretty dire if it is a quick wait.

Seymour5 · Today 19:13

FFSItsTooHot · Today 16:30

She was 'given a house'? Amazing.

Social housing is extremely hard to get, and the days of waiting on a list til you get one are long gone. The allocations policy is based on ‘need’, and that can be subjective. And people who are ‘given’ a house, are getting an affordable lifetime tenancy.

Some people with disabilities are in completely unsuitable and expensive housing because there are few suitable social rented properties, similarly the old and frail. Most private tenants are at a disadvantage. More expensive, no security of tenure. Definitely time for England to withdraw the Right to Buy. Wales and Scotland took action some years ago.

LathkillDale · Today 18:48

Dollysfriend · Today 18:12

Just to add a mini countryman is the full £80 per week on mobility.
Standard any person contracts are £75 per week and you can buy the car at the end of the lease.

A number of disabled people perhaps choose not to do that as they may have degenerative disease or life limiting conditions. However they are not allowed to buy the car.

One of the main reasons, we get a Motability car now for DD1, as opposed to an ordinary lease, is the fact she lives in a care home and needs an open policy, so that any of the 30 staff, who work on her house, can drive her about in her car.

She doesn’t have capacity, so cannot enter into the contract to lease a car or get the insurance. I have to do it for her. I have no idea, how much an insurance policy for me, DH and all of the staff would be; but I bet it’s a lot! Then, if they had an accident, it would affect my no claims bonus and put up my premiums!

Then there’s the roadside assistance - how would that work, if it’s in my name; but potentially 30 unrelated people are driving her in her car around and it breaks down one day?

There’s none of these problems with a Motability car!

Dollysfriend · Today 18:12

Just to add a mini countryman is the full £80 per week on mobility.
Standard any person contracts are £75 per week and you can buy the car at the end of the lease.

A number of disabled people perhaps choose not to do that as they may have degenerative disease or life limiting conditions. However they are not allowed to buy the car.

SerendipityJane · Today 17:57

Vegetablespringrolls · Today 17:31

DLA and PIP are extremely hard to get. You have to be very disabled. Motobility cars are even harder to get. People use some or all of their dla/pip plus usually a big amount of their own money too on renting a car.

It's not a case of telling your GP your back hurts and you get a car. Although some people seem to think it works like that.

More facts ? What have people been told about that ?

I mean we may as well mention the deposit you need to stump up (between £500-£5000+) depending on the car provided under the Motability scheme.

I say "deposit" but you never get it back, and it isn't available as a benefit. (Often charities help out). And if you need a car that has to carry a wheelchair, or be accessible for a wheelchair user, you almost invariably end up having to fork out.

(I'll report this post myself).

ThePieceHall · Today 17:40

My DD1 is blind. She gets maximum PIP. I can’t wait for her to be behind the wheel in her brand-new Motability car.

Vegetablespringrolls · Today 17:31

DLA and PIP are extremely hard to get. You have to be very disabled. Motobility cars are even harder to get. People use some or all of their dla/pip plus usually a big amount of their own money too on renting a car.

It's not a case of telling your GP your back hurts and you get a car. Although some people seem to think it works like that.

FFSItsTooHot · Today 16:30

She was 'given a house'? Amazing.