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AIBU - problems with antisemitism amongst NHS medical staff?

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Twiglets1 · 12/10/2026 06:32

The Campaign Against Antisemitism, a prominent UK watchdog group, has identified five healthcare professionals whose public statements it considers antisemitic or anti-Israel.

The five individuals, all current or former National Health Service employees, include midwife Fatimah Mohamied, who allegedly endorsed a post supporting Palestinian “resistance” on Oct. 7, 2023 by responding “Hell yeah!!!” to a post during the Hamas-led onslaught of October 7, 2023, that said: “Palestinians have a right to resist their occupation — we have a right to support them.”

Additionally, physician Dr. Abdelaal Ragheb Elfarra claimed Zionists control the media and the world; psychiatrist Dr. Ahmed Sewehli said regarding Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu “you need to be dead”; and emergency physician Dr. Nadeem Crowe described Israel as a “terrorist octopus.” Occupational therapist Zaida Akhtar allegedly shared a video appearing to encourage violence against Netanyahu’s son and a “false flag” claim about the Bondi Beach attack in Australia last year.

The allegations concerning the medical professionals follow a review published in June by John Mann, the British government’s independent adviser on antisemitism, which found “routine ostracism” of Jewish staff and patients within the NHS.

Jewish community representatives have warned that antisemitism in healthcare can affect patients at moments of particular vulnerability.

Karen Newman, a vice president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, described that concern during parliamentary testimony on May 14. She spoke about Jewish patients hesitating to request kosher meals after seeing a Palestinian badge on a nurse’s uniform.

“That is not a moment when you feel good asking for kosher meals,” she said.

https://www.jns.org/news/world/medical-staff-antisemitism-flagged-in-uk

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itsadlibitum · 13/10/2026 18:47

Cartoonmouse · 13/10/2026 18:43

Oh goodness me. Whats the question again?

It’s cute, your avoidance and skirting around it. And I won’t ask again because your refusal to answer it directly, ironically, answers it entirely.

Cartoonmouse · 13/10/2026 18:51

itsadlibitum · 13/10/2026 18:47

It’s cute, your avoidance and skirting around it. And I won’t ask again because your refusal to answer it directly, ironically, answers it entirely.

Helpful. Particularly when its been you continuously asking me a question. Right Ive checked. Flag are banned anyway. And no one needs to decorate themselves really?

So whats your point? I think you think Im in some way reluctant to ban all political symbols. Including flags? Not sure how you've got that impression. Ive said ban political symbols

Boolabus · 13/10/2026 18:53

Cartoonmouse · 13/10/2026 18:42

At the risk of this thread being groundhog day, poppies are not political symbols to the majority of normal people in mainland Britain. And I bet not to a lot of people in Northern Ireland either although I don't know. We only have the view of a poster on MN to contradict that.

Anyway lets agree to disagree. I think you are veey wrong and you think I am.

James McClean has revealed the agony his family go through as he receives death threats over his refusal to wear a remembrance poppy
Yeah not political at all

https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/sport/football/james-mcclean-explains-family-agony-32699053.amp

itsadlibitum · 13/10/2026 18:54

Cartoonmouse · 13/10/2026 18:51

Helpful. Particularly when its been you continuously asking me a question. Right Ive checked. Flag are banned anyway. And no one needs to decorate themselves really?

So whats your point? I think you think Im in some way reluctant to ban all political symbols. Including flags? Not sure how you've got that impression. Ive said ban political symbols

You have been entirely reluctant to answer a very simple question on whether Israeli symbolism should be banned, as well as others. You’ve commented very specifically on your view on several, but for some reason will no say yes, you think that should also include symbols of Israel. Which I find telling. And I wouldn’t keep asking if you didn’t keep responding with evasive non-answers. But, as I said, your responses have answered the questions even if you haven’t so I won’t ask again.

inamarina · 13/10/2026 18:54

TheOnlyOnesLeft · 12/10/2026 09:24

Israel are stating in clear terms that they intend to ethnically cleanse Gaza, yet still people are defending Israel on this thread. I do find myself wondering if there is any limit to actions which some people will defend the Israeli regime for.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/28/israels-defence-minister-says-large-scale-palestinian-migration-from-gaza-will-go-ahead

The State of Israel has officially stated no such thing, what you’re quoting is a social media post by one specific minister.

Dontmakemethinkofanotherbloodyusername · 13/10/2026 18:54

Cartoonmouse · 13/10/2026 18:46

Oh yes ban those too. 12 year olds shouldn't be working in the NHS. No need for badges.

Y'know calling people abnormal or children or other personal attacks isn't making your logic look any more reasonable. Plus, showing some acknowledgment of equality laws and workplace discrimination would sound more mature while calling people 12 as well. We all have opinions and thoughts that aren't actionable in reality (many of us in the NHS think we should be paid more for example) but you can acknowledge you have a subjective opinions without needing to be immature if someone on a discussion forum asks you to think a bit more critically about it.

inamarina · 13/10/2026 18:57

Newmotor88 · 12/10/2026 09:25

There is no point posting about antisemitism on mumsnet. I can’t even open these threads any more as it’s too painful.

I get it, but I have seen a few threads recently that were surprisingly balanced and without the usual hyperbole.

Dontmakemethinkofanotherbloodyusername · 13/10/2026 18:58

inamarina · 13/10/2026 18:54

The State of Israel has officially stated no such thing, what you’re quoting is a social media post by one specific minister.

Why not just say minister of defense, when you know that. He's not some random MP.

Cartoonmouse · 13/10/2026 19:00

itsadlibitum · 13/10/2026 18:54

You have been entirely reluctant to answer a very simple question on whether Israeli symbolism should be banned, as well as others. You’ve commented very specifically on your view on several, but for some reason will no say yes, you think that should also include symbols of Israel. Which I find telling. And I wouldn’t keep asking if you didn’t keep responding with evasive non-answers. But, as I said, your responses have answered the questions even if you haven’t so I won’t ask again.

I honestly dont know what you mean by "Israeli symbolism". Do you mean a flag? I understand that is considered a political symbol and so is banned. Ive been very clear.

What interest me is that there are people in this country who would prefer to wear a badge that scares Jews. And think thats perfectly OK. It isnt.

Ok I feel like Ive said my piece and now will leave it up to you to carry on revealing yourself without my help.

Cartoonmouse · 13/10/2026 19:02

Dontmakemethinkofanotherbloodyusername · 13/10/2026 18:54

Y'know calling people abnormal or children or other personal attacks isn't making your logic look any more reasonable. Plus, showing some acknowledgment of equality laws and workplace discrimination would sound more mature while calling people 12 as well. We all have opinions and thoughts that aren't actionable in reality (many of us in the NHS think we should be paid more for example) but you can acknowledge you have a subjective opinions without needing to be immature if someone on a discussion forum asks you to think a bit more critically about it.

You havent asked me to think more critically though. You've just revealed that you defend the wearing of badges that frighten UK Jews. I don't think much critical thought is needed.

Anyway. Thats all.

Twiglets1 · 13/10/2026 19:02

inamarina · 13/10/2026 18:57

I get it, but I have seen a few threads recently that were surprisingly balanced and without the usual hyperbole.

Yes true.

Sorry @Newmotor88 that I missed your post yesterday.

Threads about antisemitism do attract a lot of controversy and it can be hard to read some of the comments on AIBU and Conflict in the Middle East I agree.

There are more sympathetic threads on other areas of Mumsnet, such as the Politics board.

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itsadlibitum · 13/10/2026 19:03

Cartoonmouse · 13/10/2026 19:00

I honestly dont know what you mean by "Israeli symbolism". Do you mean a flag? I understand that is considered a political symbol and so is banned. Ive been very clear.

What interest me is that there are people in this country who would prefer to wear a badge that scares Jews. And think thats perfectly OK. It isnt.

Ok I feel like Ive said my piece and now will leave it up to you to carry on revealing yourself without my help.

One of the first things I said was that I agree that no political symbolism should be worn by medical or patient facing staff. I don’t though agree that Palestinian flags/ items should be singled out. Especially as I don’t agree that they are symbolic of supporting hamas/ terrorism.

Twiglets1 · 13/10/2026 19:07

itsadlibitum · 13/10/2026 19:03

One of the first things I said was that I agree that no political symbolism should be worn by medical or patient facing staff. I don’t though agree that Palestinian flags/ items should be singled out. Especially as I don’t agree that they are symbolic of supporting hamas/ terrorism.

Why don't we all just agree that no political symbolism should be worn by medical or patient facing staff.

I want a medical professional treating me to appear neutral and just do their job. They can wear what badges they want outside of their job in the NHS.

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Dontmakemethinkofanotherbloodyusername · 13/10/2026 19:12

Cartoonmouse · 13/10/2026 19:02

You havent asked me to think more critically though. You've just revealed that you defend the wearing of badges that frighten UK Jews. I don't think much critical thought is needed.

Anyway. Thats all.

I've explained the implications of banning one symbol, I've explained the multiple other 'political' ' symbols allowed and encouraged in the NHS, and I've explained why people don't have a homogenous opinion on whether the poppy is political, you've met all of those with just 'I disagree' instead of expanding on why or how or explaining why and then resorted to calling people abnormal or children. In future, it might be good to know that on discussion forums people responding to your post with a counter point is asking you to think critically, it's not an explicit ask it's past of a discussion. It also might be helpful to know that the name for what you're doing of assigning a made up position to me (that I defend badges that frighted UK Jews) is a strawman.

Dontmakemethinkofanotherbloodyusername · 13/10/2026 19:16

Twiglets1 · 13/10/2026 19:07

Why don't we all just agree that no political symbolism should be worn by medical or patient facing staff.

I want a medical professional treating me to appear neutral and just do their job. They can wear what badges they want outside of their job in the NHS.

Except no one so far has really wanted to ban all political symbols or can agree on what classes as a political symbol. I think the only way to do it would be to ban absolutely everything except uniform but that's never gonna work in practice, what counts as 'neutral'?

Stompythedinosaur · 13/10/2026 19:18

Twiglets1 · 13/10/2026 19:07

Why don't we all just agree that no political symbolism should be worn by medical or patient facing staff.

I want a medical professional treating me to appear neutral and just do their job. They can wear what badges they want outside of their job in the NHS.

So, no "black lives matter" or "lgbt friendly" or "everyone is welcome here" motifs? The thing is, these can help groups that are subject to oppression feel comfortable. Neutrality doesn't feel comfortable to everyone, because society isn't welcoming to everyone.

They are still political statements, though.

I think it's a complex issue and sweeping rules don't really work.

Twiglets1 · 13/10/2026 19:23

Dontmakemethinkofanotherbloodyusername · 13/10/2026 19:16

Except no one so far has really wanted to ban all political symbols or can agree on what classes as a political symbol. I think the only way to do it would be to ban absolutely everything except uniform but that's never gonna work in practice, what counts as 'neutral'?

Well the person I was replying to did actually say One of the first things I said was that I agree that no political symbolism should be worn by medical or patient facing staff.

So I was agreeing with them that it would be better if that was the case.

Neutral is no visible political affiliation. Just the uniform, fail to see why that isn't practical.

This was also covered in Lord Mann's review:

Lord Mann told the BBC: "The NHS should not be a place where you bring in your views. And the stronger the views, the bigger the problem."

"An 'I support Palestine' badge, or anything like that, is a problem for some people, just in the same way as an 'I support Israel' badge is a problem for some people. Don't wear either," he added.

"If you're fearful at what they [medical professionals] are wearing as a political symbolism, then that could be dangerous in terms of health outcomes."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0plkd4wdno

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Dontmakemethinkofanotherbloodyusername · 13/10/2026 19:30

Twiglets1 · 13/10/2026 19:23

Well the person I was replying to did actually say One of the first things I said was that I agree that no political symbolism should be worn by medical or patient facing staff.

So I was agreeing with them that it would be better if that was the case.

Neutral is no visible political affiliation. Just the uniform, fail to see why that isn't practical.

This was also covered in Lord Mann's review:

Lord Mann told the BBC: "The NHS should not be a place where you bring in your views. And the stronger the views, the bigger the problem."

"An 'I support Palestine' badge, or anything like that, is a problem for some people, just in the same way as an 'I support Israel' badge is a problem for some people. Don't wear either," he added.

"If you're fearful at what they [medical professionals] are wearing as a political symbolism, then that could be dangerous in terms of health outcomes."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0plkd4wdno

I understand the recommendation, I just don't see it as practical in reality. People showing support for LGBT or trade unions, or BAME networks, or the armed forces networks, or flying the British flag on NHS premises are political and yet embedded into the NHS. I don't see anyone successfully managing to ban them and dissolve all staff networks and diversity initiatives all because you want to ban one specific thing and you want to ban them all in order to do so, I think it would get pushback from too many groups.

itsadlibitum · 13/10/2026 19:33

Twiglets1 · 13/10/2026 19:23

Well the person I was replying to did actually say One of the first things I said was that I agree that no political symbolism should be worn by medical or patient facing staff.

So I was agreeing with them that it would be better if that was the case.

Neutral is no visible political affiliation. Just the uniform, fail to see why that isn't practical.

This was also covered in Lord Mann's review:

Lord Mann told the BBC: "The NHS should not be a place where you bring in your views. And the stronger the views, the bigger the problem."

"An 'I support Palestine' badge, or anything like that, is a problem for some people, just in the same way as an 'I support Israel' badge is a problem for some people. Don't wear either," he added.

"If you're fearful at what they [medical professionals] are wearing as a political symbolism, then that could be dangerous in terms of health outcomes."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0plkd4wdno

Yeah that was me. I think medical care needs to be neutral to politics, religion etc.

I don’t agree on banning just one symbol or cause, nor to I agree nhs staff must stay neutral outside their provision of health care.

i also don’t agree that support Palestine means supporting Hamas.

oh, and I 💯 believe that what Israel is doing is genocide and I vehemently oppose their actions and the political ideology of Zionism.

and finally, I am not antisemitic nor do I equate being Israeli with being Jewish. Or even actually being Israeli with necessarily supporting the actions of the Israeli government (although of course many do).

think that sums it up 😄

Twiglets1 · 13/10/2026 19:35

Stompythedinosaur · 13/10/2026 19:18

So, no "black lives matter" or "lgbt friendly" or "everyone is welcome here" motifs? The thing is, these can help groups that are subject to oppression feel comfortable. Neutrality doesn't feel comfortable to everyone, because society isn't welcoming to everyone.

They are still political statements, though.

I think it's a complex issue and sweeping rules don't really work.

I don't see that patients would be threatened by the badges you mention, although I don't know what stance the NHS is taking on those sort of badges. Maybe it's up to individual trusts to decide what counts as a political badge or maybe it depends on the setting, I don't know.

Palestinian/Israeli badges are things patients may be particularly sensitive towards at the moment because of the war in Gaza. Patients and staff have reported being negatively affected by the issue.

People don't have a "right" to wear political badges to work and if NHS trusts ban the wearing of them (bearing in mind the NHS has accepted all the recommendations made in the review) then employees will have no choice but to accept the sweeping rules.

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LuckyHazelFox · 13/10/2026 19:36

Dontmakemethinkofanotherbloodyusername · 13/10/2026 19:30

I understand the recommendation, I just don't see it as practical in reality. People showing support for LGBT or trade unions, or BAME networks, or the armed forces networks, or flying the British flag on NHS premises are political and yet embedded into the NHS. I don't see anyone successfully managing to ban them and dissolve all staff networks and diversity initiatives all because you want to ban one specific thing and you want to ban them all in order to do so, I think it would get pushback from too many groups.

Who's in charge? The tail shouldn't be wagging the dog. The NHS exists to provide a service, not to politicise any cause. It's quite simple to say no politicisation is allowed full stop. In fact, Wes Streeting did exactly that when he was Health Sec. Good for him.

Twiglets1 · 13/10/2026 19:42

itsadlibitum · 13/10/2026 19:33

Yeah that was me. I think medical care needs to be neutral to politics, religion etc.

I don’t agree on banning just one symbol or cause, nor to I agree nhs staff must stay neutral outside their provision of health care.

i also don’t agree that support Palestine means supporting Hamas.

oh, and I 💯 believe that what Israel is doing is genocide and I vehemently oppose their actions and the political ideology of Zionism.

and finally, I am not antisemitic nor do I equate being Israeli with being Jewish. Or even actually being Israeli with necessarily supporting the actions of the Israeli government (although of course many do).

think that sums it up 😄

We are in agreement that medical care should ideally be neutral to politics, religion etc.

I don't think Lord Mann or the NHS or anyone is only talking about banning Palestinian badges at work, it would be Israeli ones too.

I agree most people who support Palestine don't support Hamas. However, some do see them as freedom fighters not terrorists and that is part of the problem - as a patient we wouldn't know how extreme the views are of the person wearing the badge. So again, let's keep politics out of healthcare.

You're entitled to your opinion re Israel and genocide, obviously.

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Neverstopwondering · 13/10/2026 19:42

Once experienced some obviously singling out and Jew hate in A&E. I am not normally particularly bothered by fuckwitts but that night I was in pain and felt vulnerable so it did shake me up at the time.

Another incident I had we still are not totally sure about. My GP was away and a young lady doctor was covering for him. I went in because a condition I have was showing some new symptoms. The doctor prescribed about three different medications to held and some extra test. I started taking the new medications that night. Within about 20 minutes I was literally on the floor and my husband had to call an ambulance. It turned out one of the medications she prescribed had something in it a person with my condition should never be given. The thing is I am obviously Jewish and she was obviously of a certain other religion. I didn't accuse her afterwards of doing it deliberately. However I have wondered about it because even the nurses looking after me afterwards were shocked I had been given that drug.

No I don't think people should wear badges at work supportering any political cause etc, that goes for pretty much any job. I don't push my own views in the faces of others at work so I don't see why they think I am interested in theirs. Some people may be potentially intimidated or scared and why do that to other people, not nice.

itsadlibitum · 13/10/2026 19:44

Neverstopwondering · 13/10/2026 19:42

Once experienced some obviously singling out and Jew hate in A&E. I am not normally particularly bothered by fuckwitts but that night I was in pain and felt vulnerable so it did shake me up at the time.

Another incident I had we still are not totally sure about. My GP was away and a young lady doctor was covering for him. I went in because a condition I have was showing some new symptoms. The doctor prescribed about three different medications to held and some extra test. I started taking the new medications that night. Within about 20 minutes I was literally on the floor and my husband had to call an ambulance. It turned out one of the medications she prescribed had something in it a person with my condition should never be given. The thing is I am obviously Jewish and she was obviously of a certain other religion. I didn't accuse her afterwards of doing it deliberately. However I have wondered about it because even the nurses looking after me afterwards were shocked I had been given that drug.

No I don't think people should wear badges at work supportering any political cause etc, that goes for pretty much any job. I don't push my own views in the faces of others at work so I don't see why they think I am interested in theirs. Some people may be potentially intimidated or scared and why do that to other people, not nice.

You genuinely think a (I assume Muslim) doctor prescribed you dangerous medication on purpose, to harm you, because you are Jewish?

Twiglets1 · 13/10/2026 19:44

LuckyHazelFox · 13/10/2026 19:36

Who's in charge? The tail shouldn't be wagging the dog. The NHS exists to provide a service, not to politicise any cause. It's quite simple to say no politicisation is allowed full stop. In fact, Wes Streeting did exactly that when he was Health Sec. Good for him.

Yes Wes Streeting did well with this issue when he was health secretary. Can't say I've heard much from Yvette Cooper since she took over.

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