AIBU - problems with antisemitism amongst NHS medical staff?

You disagree with banning political expression of NHS staff now?

It’s pretty well documented that Muslims face a great deal of prejudice and discrimination in the UK. It’s not too long ago that our own then foreign minister called them letter boxes - that’s how mainstream Islamophobia is. Not that it’s a competition though.

Ok so who do you feel is qualified to make the determination? Or is anyone who concludes it is genocide, as lots of bodies have, by default antisemitic just for reaching that conclusion?

Of course. How did Hamas come to power? The Palestinians voted for them. Just like Germans voted for the Nazis. They didn’t gain power accidentally, but in elections which were deemed free and fair.

The context of that comment by Boris Johnson was that he was criticising France and supporting the right of Muslim women to wear the burqua or whatever other religious clothing they wished.

I agree with banning political symbols. I disagree that a red poppy is a political symbol (apart from in N Ireland apparently. I have never been so cannot comment on how patients feel about NHS workers wearing poppies).

The majority of the Palestinians population haven't had an election within their lifetimes. The last election was in 2006..this is either unintentional or intentional misinformation you've posted.

Ah so we should ban political items that you personal consider to be political. That's not opening a can of worms at all! Does it occur to you northern Irish Britain's live in the rest of Britain too?

The ICJ.

If they live in mainland Britain they will be used to the poppy and what it symbolises.

Some things transcend politics. Or used to. Like remembering our dead relatives.

Well they sort of have as yould only be 20 now. I think you mean able to vote. If the voting age is 18 then anyone over 38 has voted.

To be clear, do you consider the ICJ opinion of the highest importance? If so, What's your opinion on them issuing measures to Israel to prevent genocide while they investigate and their ruling that Israeli settlements are illegal under international always and that Israel must end it's illegal occupation. Do you agree that Israel are in breach of the ICJ ruling, considering you only want their opinion of it's a genocide ?

You're being disingenuous to act like you care about patients feelings or distress but repeatedly dismiss the feelings of patients you happen to disagree with, just because the complicated feelings they have towards their dead relatives, aren't shared by you.

I disagree.

I don't believe there is such a thing as effective international law really. It only works if countries agree to follow it. So whether Israel follows any judgement is up to them. The ICJ has no standing army or means to enforce any judgement themselves.

If they accept the ICJ jurisdiction however then witness evidence will need to be collected regarding genocide. This will take a few years. If due process is followed rather than premature opinions then perhaps there will be a proper ruling that other countries can then bear in mind in their dealings witb Israel.

That's clear. Everyone has different opinions which is why we don't make blanket policy on people's subjective opinions.

But what's your opinion on their judgements, you make it clear Israel may choose not to follow it, which we've all seen that they disregard international law..I'm asking your opinion on the preventative measures and on the judgement that the settlements are in breach of international law? What's your opinion on the ICC arrest warrants?

I dont think I was making "blanket policy". I was just expressing a view on MN regarding visible symbols showing support for Hamas should be (and are) banned as they show the wearer is perhaps malevolent towards Jews.

If you would like to argue that poppies are scaring people from N Ireland on the mainland in the same way then I suggest you start a thread on the issue.

I have no opinion. I have said that the ICJ are the correct body to determine whether a genocide has taken place and that can only be after due process has been followed. I express no view regarding settlements.

I dont think I was making "blanket policy". I was just expressing a view on MN regarding visible symbols showing support for Hamas should be (and are) banned as they show the wearer is perhaps malevolent towards Jews.

If you would like to argue that poppies are scaring people from N Ireland on the mainland in the same way then I suggest you start a thread on the issue.

Ah so we should ban political items that you personal consider to be political. That's not opening a can of worms at all! Does it occur to you northern Irish Britain's live in the rest of Britain too?

There's no such thing as Northern Irish Britons. Northern Ireland is not part of Britain (it is part of the UK though).

Northern Irish people might be living in England, Scotland or Wales but they are not British. They have their own health care system that is not part of the NHS.

How would you feel if nhs staff were banned from wearing anything suggesting Israeli heritage or affiliation? Because Palestinians or others in the receiving end of Israel’s foreign policy may feel threatened or intimidated?

or would that be antisemitic?

There's no such thing as Northern Irish Britons. Northern Ireland is not part of Britain (it is part of the UK though).

Northern Irish people might be living in England, Scotland or Wales but they are not British. They have their own health care system that is not part of the NHS.