AIBU - problems with antisemitism amongst NHS medical staff?

But protesting is utterly futile.

There are real issues in the UK that protesting about might actually invoke change, but that wouldn’t allow you to get out your kaffiyeh and display your antisemitism so that would be rubbish. So many tragic virtue signalling ‘liberals’ on this thread. Yes, you ARE the bad guys now!

Probably good not to sanction an ally. Unless you are sure those sanctions will work.

The difficulty is that public debates like this often pressure people to choose one camp or the other, when the reality is far more complex.

We can be deeply sympathetic to Israeli security concerns and deeply distressed by Palestinian suffering at the same time. That position probably reflects the tragedy of the conflict more accurately than many of the more absolute narratives. This complexity is impossible to convey through wearing a badge at work.

Yes, and it's ridiculous that nurses or any other medics are wearing Palestinian badges on their uniforms while delivering healthcare. That is so much a political statement it's crazy.

Where are the management in all this? Are they too frightened to say 'no' in case they get criticised themselves by the pro-Palestine mob?

Yes, and to demonstrate that the far left and Islamist groups are in the ascendancy. That's why we have such idiotic things as a nurse wearing a pro-Palestine badge while carrying out their duties on a hospital ward. And nobody in management has the guts to challenge it.

@5MinuteArgument
OP added yesterday at 9:25 "People are not allowed to wear Palestinian badges in NHS settings anymore." - if this thread had been started in good faith that bit of info would have been included in the OP itself.

Dont see your point. The issue is that Jews are scared of being treated by someone supporting Hamas. The warped mind still exists even if its not allowed to wear a warning badge.

That's good news but I understand that some NHS staff are challenging this so it's still a live issue.

Wearing a Palestine badge is not a statement of support of Hamas don't be ridiculous.

There are approximately 2 million Palestinians who hold israel citizenship and about 5.5 million Palestinians who live in the occupied territories. Hamas is a terrorist organisation comprising about 20,000 active fighters and approx 100,000 wider supporters. A Palestinian flag is much more likely to indicate support of the 7.5 million ordinary and not-particulatly-more-violent-and-dangerous-than-anyone-else Palestinians, who mostly just want to live in peace and don't wish death on anyone, rather than the 120,000 terrorists. Believing otherwise is a paranoid delusion that is indicative of needing psychiatric support.

That is definitely racism there.
If you aren't even prepared to acknowledge the existence of a people who don't particularly hate you but just want to live their ordinary life then there is no hope.
Do you also believe that anyone who displays a Ukraine flag wishes death to all Russians, even the ones who are just getting along with their farming along the banks of the Volga river?

Of course. How did Hamas come to power? The Palestinians voted for them. Just like Germans voted for the Nazis. They didn’t gain power accidentally, but in elections which were deemed free and fair.

@KindlySurfiingPlatypus

Of course its not racisim. It doesnt matter who is wearing it. Its what it symbolises. Im not Jewish. I'm just an ordinary person who sees those marches and the aggresion and screaming of the marchers. And the fear that Jews are experiencing. Its terrible. And the marchers seem to care more about shoving their views about a conflict happening thousands of miles away, one of many, than the feeling security of Jewish people in the UK. I think its wrong.

Ok so who do you feel is qualified to make the determination? Or is anyone who concludes it is genocide, as lots of bodies have, by default antisemitic just for reaching that conclusion?

If the average Palestinian is so benevolent, why don’t any of their Muslim neighbors want them anywhere nearby?

The international courts.
In time that verdict will come.

@KindlySurfiingPlatypus ”Do you also believe that anyone who displays a Ukraine flag wishes death to all Russians, even the ones who are just getting along with their farming along the banks of the Volga river?”

That’s a false comparison. Shame on you.

Yes, and the point is that British Jews are having to organise their own security rotas around schools and synagogues because they have been attacked and killed.

I used to go on pro-Palestine marches years ago. But I wouldn't go on them now. Marches and demonstrations of support for Palestine are happening now within the context of growing violence towards Jews, actual violence not just online stuff.

Jews are thinking about leaving the UK and I wouldn't be surprised if in 5 or 10 years time there are fewer Jews here. Have any Muslims talked about leaving? No, their numbers are expanding.

Have any Muslims talked about leaving? No, their numbers are expanding.

https://tellmamauk.org/tell-mamas-survey-finds-that-1-in-3-british-muslims-are-considering-leaving-the-u-k/

It’s pretty well documented that Muslims face a great deal of prejudice and discrimination in the UK. It’s not too long ago that our own then foreign minister called them letter boxes - that’s how mainstream Islamophobia is. Not that it’s a competition though.

Perhaps you aren't realising that @Boolabus and I aren't arguing against staff wearing the poppy, we're just pointing out your blindspot in banning "political items" .

Fine. I disagree.

You disagree with banning political expression of NHS staff now?