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AIBU to agree my sister’s friends may want child-free girls’ nights?

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WashingLineFine · Yesterday 12:10

My sister has a group of friends she met at university, they’re all in their late 30s now but take turns to host “girls night” where they go to each others houses, have a few drinks and watch a film.
whenever sister is hosting she asks me or my mum to have DN overnight.
A few weeks ago she was hosting and she hadn’t asked me to have DN so I asked if mum was having her, she said no she’s keeping her at home this time.
Day after she told me DN had had an amazing time showing off her dance routines to sisters friends. I asked if the friends minded her being there and she said no, they loved watching her. Thought it was a bit weird but whatever.
last week sister was hosting again and told me DN was really looking forward to it and had a load of new routines ready to show “the girls”. At this point I gently suggested that maybe her friends enjoy child free nights and would prefer no kids there and offered to have DN. This was rubbished so I left it.

This morning she messaged me asking if I’d said something to her friends because all of a sudden they’re complaining about DN being there. I asked what had actually been said and it was a group WhatsApp messsge basically saying if there’s weeks when a host can’t get a babysitter they should change the host for that week. They all agreed. DN wasn’t mentioned but to be fair it was pretty obvious that it was directed at her.

I said to sister “to be fair I don’t blame them, if I was going out for an evening with friends I wouldn’t want to be a captive audience to an 8 year olds dance routines. Now we’re no longer talking 🤦‍♀️😂

AIBU to have agreed with the friends?

OP posts:
KassandraOfSparta · Yesterday 17:06

Nobody wants to watch a child perform dance routines. Even when it's your own child.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · Yesterday 17:06

WashingLineFine · Yesterday 12:21

I was trying to save her from the inevitable fall out

Looks like your Sis shot the messenger

I would just keep out of things like this with her. She probably resents you telling her she's wrong and at the end of the day, her friends were able to do that themselves... Yet now you've ended up being the one taking all the flak, which seems very unfair.

You said inevitable fall out, so presumably there have been similar situations where you've wanted to step in and say "For Heaven's sake SIs, don't do that!"

But if that is the case, I think you need to start just letting her find out for herself. It will have far more effect, and you won't be the one in the firing line, when you were only trying to help.

Hope she calms down soon.

Thewonderfuldollypartonsbra · Yesterday 16:54

I remember years ago getting a babysitter and going out on a (rare) night out with my ex

Only to get to his house and find his two (lovely) dds there and he'd changed the plans and hadn't told me

I was fuming-id managed to get a babysitter (which cost a fortune) only to spend the evening with two other kids

I never saw him again but did hear how 'unreasonable' I was as he knew I 'enjoyed their company'

'All dressed up and fuck all place to go' really summed that night up

I love kids but I needed some 'adult time' without any child

LizzieW1969 · Yesterday 16:50

It would be ok if the friend’s child said hello and did one performance. But that would be my limit! I wouldn’t want a repeat.

I like having child free time with friends, especially if I’ve arranged a baby sitter.

BMW58 · Yesterday 16:49

OMG I'm absolutely cringing with second hand embarrassment for your sister 😳😳😳

whippersnapper55 · Yesterday 16:44

You're not being unreasonable but I would have kept my opinion to myself to be honest!

CandyCrushLevel14809 · Yesterday 16:35

ktopfwcv · Yesterday 16:27

If they'd fall out with her due to her having her child in her own house then they're not the type of friends she needs.

I'm an independent single mum and my friends would be out the door if they fell out with me over this.

It’s not having the child there, it’s the child joining in with what has always been an adult evening.
If she is unable to accommodate adult only evening she’ll need to back out of the group.

MellowSubmarine · Yesterday 16:34

I don’t think they should have to get a babysitter in order to host, but the child should be able to be told to stay upstairs and be able to follow that instruction. I have a 7 year old and have friends round for dinner and they never see her. (Obviously they arrive after my child has been fed and I’ve brushed teeth etc, but she stays upstairs reading a book and then goes to sleep).

ETA - I wouldn’t be that bothered by a friend’s child who had a 2 min dance to show me though, even though I wouldn’t let my child do it. I would be bothered if that child then hung around, or I was expected to watch some longer performance every time I went round.

PopcornKitten · Yesterday 16:28

I think it’s just easier to blame you than blame them.
upu are not being unreasonable. You could see where this was heading and tried to warn her.
I think as a one off they would have tolerated DN but it was clearly going to become the norm.

ktopfwcv · Yesterday 16:27

WashingLineFine · Yesterday 12:21

I was trying to save her from the inevitable fall out

If they'd fall out with her due to her having her child in her own house then they're not the type of friends she needs.

I'm an independent single mum and my friends would be out the door if they fell out with me over this.

CandyCrushLevel14809 · Yesterday 16:27

We take it turns to host book club. Kids are usually there but def not part of the evening.
They say hello, some have a little chat and take some food then clear off!

NiftyKoala · Yesterday 16:24

AmyDudley · Yesterday 12:23

You're absolutely right.
Only the strongest maternal blinkers would make someone think an eight year old dancing was entertainment.

Right! It's time for dd to perform her routines everyone! Even if this was my child I'd be annoyed by the " performance ".

WhatHappenedToYourFurnitureCuz · Yesterday 15:48

Ilovelifeverymuch · Yesterday 14:30

She didn't overstep, she's her sister and she was gently giving her advice to hopefully avoid getting to the point where her friends would have to point it out to her.

I don't get this mindset that we can't speak up anymore for fear of upsetting people. Obviously she doesn't say it rude or in a mean manner and more importantly she didn't go behind her back and tell her friends.

If you read my post properly, you'll see that wasn't my point.

Dandeloosha · Yesterday 15:39

Gribouille · Yesterday 15:33

The only thing worse would have been her husband coming in pantless to do The Helicopter at them...

Actually, I think that comes second-worse to a dancing 8 year-old... 😳

I’d pay to see a husband come in and do the helicopter 😂

Gribouille · Yesterday 15:33

The only thing worse would have been her husband coming in pantless to do The Helicopter at them...

Actually, I think that comes second-worse to a dancing 8 year-old... 😳

Lurkingandlearning · Yesterday 15:32

WashingLineFine · Yesterday 12:21

I was trying to save her from the inevitable fall out

You can talk to your sister about whatever you like. There’s a few MN who think we should never say anything negative in any way, even if saying it will save that person from something more negative.

Ideally, your comment would have made her see that her daughter’s dancing wouldn’t be welcome and that there’d been a reason why girls night had always been child free. That would have saved her looking like a twat. But it seems she’s doubled down on twattiness and come up with this idea that you have conspired with her friends.

DelphiniumBlue · Yesterday 15:28

Well, I’d imagine it would have been fine if DD had not been encouraged to show off and had been put to bed at a reasonable time. Sis is reaping what she has sown.

runnerducky · Yesterday 15:26

Bad enough watching my own kids’ dance routines let alone someone else’s.

WhatDoRacoonsSay · Yesterday 15:25

Christ, I found it tedious watching a kid singing on Coronation Street recently, never mind a live performance on a girls night.

MyDpsanarse · Yesterday 15:12

Your DSis hadn't worked out that her friends were just being polite about her DD joining them, now she knows better. She's not happy now but you and her friends have done her a big favour, she won't be THAT DM who brings her DD everywhere then finds she's mysteriously running out of invitations

Ilovelifeverymuch · Yesterday 14:30

WhatHappenedToYourFurnitureCuz · Yesterday 12:20

You're right but overstepped with your "gentle suggestions." Her friends are adults who didn't need you speaking for them. Now you're the bad guy.

She didn't overstep, she's her sister and she was gently giving her advice to hopefully avoid getting to the point where her friends would have to point it out to her.

I don't get this mindset that we can't speak up anymore for fear of upsetting people. Obviously she doesn't say it rude or in a mean manner and more importantly she didn't go behind her back and tell her friends.

OneoftheWeddingPeople · Yesterday 14:17

This should be illegal. It then continues to them bringing teens and young adults 🙈. Why?!

PowerhouseOfTheCell · Yesterday 14:04

Surely your sister can't think her friends have actually gone away and thought, 'God, Chloe's 30 minute performance to the same Kpop Demon Hunters song on repeat was fabulous!' Confused

Isittimeformynapyet · Yesterday 13:29

I was going to say nobody's going to make it obvious that they're finding the kids' Me Show excruciating - they're obviously going to try to look like they're enjoying it, but in all honesty I'd have decided I needed a bit of fresh air and hoped others would follow me outside. But I'm not a people pleaser (any more).

MrsVBS · Yesterday 13:12

Completely agree, couldn’t think of anything more tedious than watching someone else’s child doing a dance routine, I would be cancelling next time if I knew there was going to be a repeat.