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Friend's dog bit a child, whose fault?

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karrabee · Yesterday 09:43

Dog was on a lead, probably 1.5 metres ahead. Family of 2 adults and 2 children walking past in opposite direction. Children probably 4 and 8? As they walked past the younger girl darted towards the dog and put her hand on his head (flat palm almost like she was hitting him but I think she was trying to pat him on the head) and he nipped her. We were passing each other on a path in a park so were quite close already. Had zero time to do anything as from her walking past to touching him happened in about 1.5 seconds. We had no interaction with the other family prior to this. Dog has never bitten before, we think he just got a fright from the girl, but the family went mad and started threatening to call the police saying we have a dangerous dog (he's am old staffy who has never bitten once and we were so shocked that he even nipped her as he is extremely gentle!). Family followed us round the park and kept shouting 'we know where you live, police are going to be well aware of you'. The girl wasn't injured, skin wasn't broken, but she was obviously scared. Surely this is the fault of the family for not teaching their children not to touch dogs? I don't have a dog so haven't really had to think about it before, but my son knows not to touch dogs without confirming with the owner that they're friendly. It is drilled into him!

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Wadsworthy · Yesterday 15:07

Usually I would say that the dog owner is responsible, but in this case, the girl’s parents are at fault for not teaching their DD that that is not the way to approach any dog.

What the child did was , from a dog’s POV, aggressive. A child won’t know this unless her parents teach her how to behave and monitor her behaviour around dogs. But they’re probably ignorant themselves.

However, I do think having the leash out to 1.5 m around children is risky. So the dog should have been brought to heel as you passed other people and kept to your side away from the people passing.

But then I’ve had a tricky dog in the past and taking her out in a park was an hour of constant monitoring and control of her. Approached as that child fid my dog would have done more than nip! And I secretly wouldn’t have blamed her, however much I know that peoples safety comes before dogs.

Naunet · Yesterday 15:06

beaglescurleduplikebagels · Yesterday 15:03

Morally it would have been their fault, legally it would (sadly) have been yours.

Well that really would depend on what the police decided.
Its disgusting that parents can allow their kids to abuse an animal, and then the animal is blamed defending itself.

Naunet · Yesterday 15:05

MassiveOvaryaction · Yesterday 14:19

If the dog owner kept the dog away from people, how was it able to bite the child? Hmm

Because as OP said, the child darted over to the dog, and I'm assuming the owner doesn't have the ability to teleport it away.

Frequency · Yesterday 15:04

The owner of the dog and the parents of the girl were equally at fault. The dog should not have been so far ahead when passing other people. The girl should not have been so far ahead when passing a strange dog. Both the child and the dog were out of the control of their supervisors.

MrMucker · Yesterday 15:04

Cooshawn · Yesterday 14:26

A couple of weeks ago I had to physically grab a small child that was hurtling towards my friend's dog. The dog was on a short lead with no slack as she'd pulled her in on the opposite side. The dog doesn't like children, and my friend is very proactive in managing that. But this child was trying to run around the other side to get to the dog.

Meanwhile the adults with the child (who we'd called out to) were just ambling along chatting amongst themselves, completely unaware of what the child was doing or how far ahead they were.

My friend's dog hasn't bitten a child, she's proactive because she wants to avoid her dog being stressed.

But if her dog, which was completely under control, had snapped at that child (who had no business whatsoever being so close) she'd have been at fault?

Yes.
Dog owner at fault 100%
Read the law.

beaglescurleduplikebagels · Yesterday 15:03

Naunet · Yesterday 15:01

I was walking my dog once and could hear two women and a couple of kids behind me. My dog kept looking back and after a while, I followed her gaze and saw one of the kids walking right behind her, pulling on her tail and just gripping onto it as we walked. The adults were doing nothing to stop it and it absolutely would have been their fault if the kid got bitten.
Dogs arent robots, they're living, breathing creatures. Its about time parents were held just asaccountable for their kids behavior as dog owners are, after all, humans are meant to be the more intelligent species.

Morally it would have been their fault, legally it would (sadly) have been yours.

C8H10N4O2 · Yesterday 15:02

Tillow4ever · Yesterday 10:44

I’d have put it back to the parents that had I walked up to them and smacked their child on the head, and their child bit me on the arm, would they be blaming me or their child for the situation?

Of course it’s the fault of someone approaching a dog they don’t know without permission. As this was a young child, that fault moves to the parents - it’s on them to teach this to their children and to keep their kids safe. They did neither.

I came onto the thread fully expecting to say this was the dog or owners fault, but I don’t think it was. 1.5m doesn’t sound particularly far ahead to me - about a stride and a half? But I don’t have a dog so I don’t know the different length leads you can get.

You are an adult not a four year old (or possibly younger). You would be assaulting a child not being a child.

Parents should teach children not to approach strange animals. Sometimes small children get things wrong.

Dog walkers should keep a short reign on narrow paths, especially in the vicinity of people and keep them to heel on your non people side.

beaglescurleduplikebagels · Yesterday 15:02

Hoork · Yesterday 14:50

It’s the parents fault. It could have been much worse for that girl.

Thankfully the law disagrees with you.

Naunet · Yesterday 15:01

I was walking my dog once and could hear two women and a couple of kids behind me. My dog kept looking back and after a while, I followed her gaze and saw one of the kids walking right behind her, pulling on her tail and just gripping onto it as we walked. The adults were doing nothing to stop it and it absolutely would have been their fault if the kid got bitten.
Dogs arent robots, they're living, breathing creatures. Its about time parents were held just asaccountable for their kids behavior as dog owners are, after all, humans are meant to be the more intelligent species.

Ylvamoon · Yesterday 15:00

My question is, how would YOU react if some big clumsy hand that you didn't see coming would pat your head?

Dogs are animals, they do not have to tolerate abuse from humans. They can defend themselves the only way they know, humans should be aware of that.

Campanulaceae · Yesterday 14:58

The phrase that comes to mind is "well, that'll learn ya!".

BrilliantBetty · Yesterday 14:52

Dog owners fault. Park with families and kids, shouldn’t have been on an extended lead. Should have been right beside owner so they could have intervened before the dog was touched and child bitten.

Blushingm · Yesterday 14:52

babyproblems · Yesterday 14:24

The parents of the child are absolutely at fault.

The dog owner has zero responsibility here in this case; the parents are completely accountable imo. Children should never approach dogs!

And dogs should never bite children!

Hoork · Yesterday 14:50

It’s the parents fault. It could have been much worse for that girl.

beaglescurleduplikebagels · Yesterday 14:47

LostNFoundSV · Yesterday 14:40

The person walking the dog has a responsibility to keep it under control - that includes pre-empting any potential situations where the dog is likely to snap. Keeping the dog on a short lead when there are other people nearby or approaching is the most obvious, and simplest, way to achieve this.

Yep. The lack of understanding around dog behaviour and the law on this thread is pretty terrifying, especially when so many posters claim to be dog owners themselves. The law changed further a few years ago to say that dogs must also be under control on private property - so if (for example) a postman comes into your garden and gets bitten, you can still be held legally responsibly for your dog being out of control.

beaglescurleduplikebagels · Yesterday 14:45

Cooshawn · Yesterday 14:37

Where did I say she's a bite risk? She's never bitten. My friend wasn't trying to prevent harm to the child, she was trying to prevent harm to her dog.

My point was more that had the dog snapped in that scenario my friend was doing everything that could have reasonably been expected, and the dog was under control. Legally she wouldn't be at fault in that scenario, much like if it was another dog as opposed to a child.

Unfortunately this just isn't true. If your dog bites someone, you are ALWAYS at fault. In fact, you can even be found at fault if you're not present and someone else is walking the dog when it bites.

As a dog owner, you have a legal responsibility to have your dog under control at all times. A lead can help maintain control but being on a lead is not a legal protection. A dog on a lead can bite, dart into traffic or knock someone over very easily if the owner isn't paying attention. That's why the law states "under control" not just "on a lead".

LostNFoundSV · Yesterday 14:40

The person walking the dog has a responsibility to keep it under control - that includes pre-empting any potential situations where the dog is likely to snap. Keeping the dog on a short lead when there are other people nearby or approaching is the most obvious, and simplest, way to achieve this.

Cooshawn · Yesterday 14:37

beaglescurleduplikebagels · Yesterday 14:31

If your friends' dog is that much of a bite risk then it should be wearing a muzzle.

Where did I say she's a bite risk? She's never bitten. My friend wasn't trying to prevent harm to the child, she was trying to prevent harm to her dog.

My point was more that had the dog snapped in that scenario my friend was doing everything that could have reasonably been expected, and the dog was under control. Legally she wouldn't be at fault in that scenario, much like if it was another dog as opposed to a child.

WellThatIsABitMad · Yesterday 14:36

I wouldn’t worry. When our NDNs neighbour’s dog escaped, nearly killed a passing dog, bit the man who needed stitches and hospital treatment, the police were not arsed. So I highly doubt they would give a toss about this.

YeOldeGreyhound · Yesterday 14:33

chirrupybird · Yesterday 14:27

They were passing each other on a path, the child didn't run up to the dog, the dog owner could easily have kept the dog away from the child and they should have.

The child did. Read the OP.

" As they walked past the younger girl darted towards the dog"

MrsPottsMumofChip · Yesterday 14:32

If it happens again, dog owner is at fault. The owner knows what the dog is capable of.

I have had young children and dogs, and they can both be unpredictable.

beaglescurleduplikebagels · Yesterday 14:31

Cooshawn · Yesterday 14:26

A couple of weeks ago I had to physically grab a small child that was hurtling towards my friend's dog. The dog was on a short lead with no slack as she'd pulled her in on the opposite side. The dog doesn't like children, and my friend is very proactive in managing that. But this child was trying to run around the other side to get to the dog.

Meanwhile the adults with the child (who we'd called out to) were just ambling along chatting amongst themselves, completely unaware of what the child was doing or how far ahead they were.

My friend's dog hasn't bitten a child, she's proactive because she wants to avoid her dog being stressed.

But if her dog, which was completely under control, had snapped at that child (who had no business whatsoever being so close) she'd have been at fault?

If your friends' dog is that much of a bite risk then it should be wearing a muzzle.

beaglescurleduplikebagels · Yesterday 14:30

babyproblems · Yesterday 14:24

The parents of the child are absolutely at fault.

The dog owner has zero responsibility here in this case; the parents are completely accountable imo. Children should never approach dogs!

Luckily the law very much disagrees with you (assuming you're actually being serious).

chirrupybird · Yesterday 14:30

Cooshawn · Yesterday 14:26

A couple of weeks ago I had to physically grab a small child that was hurtling towards my friend's dog. The dog was on a short lead with no slack as she'd pulled her in on the opposite side. The dog doesn't like children, and my friend is very proactive in managing that. But this child was trying to run around the other side to get to the dog.

Meanwhile the adults with the child (who we'd called out to) were just ambling along chatting amongst themselves, completely unaware of what the child was doing or how far ahead they were.

My friend's dog hasn't bitten a child, she's proactive because she wants to avoid her dog being stressed.

But if her dog, which was completely under control, had snapped at that child (who had no business whatsoever being so close) she'd have been at fault?

Yes, she needs to train her dog a dog that 'doesn't like' children is a walking time bomb get it a muzzle if it is a danger to children.

pokewomans · Yesterday 14:29

takealettermsjones · Yesterday 09:53

I think it's on all the adults to do better - the parent should not have let the child touch the dog, and the dog owner should have had the dog closer than 1.5m when passing young children.

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