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Friend's dog bit a child, whose fault?

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karrabee · Yesterday 09:43

Dog was on a lead, probably 1.5 metres ahead. Family of 2 adults and 2 children walking past in opposite direction. Children probably 4 and 8? As they walked past the younger girl darted towards the dog and put her hand on his head (flat palm almost like she was hitting him but I think she was trying to pat him on the head) and he nipped her. We were passing each other on a path in a park so were quite close already. Had zero time to do anything as from her walking past to touching him happened in about 1.5 seconds. We had no interaction with the other family prior to this. Dog has never bitten before, we think he just got a fright from the girl, but the family went mad and started threatening to call the police saying we have a dangerous dog (he's am old staffy who has never bitten once and we were so shocked that he even nipped her as he is extremely gentle!). Family followed us round the park and kept shouting 'we know where you live, police are going to be well aware of you'. The girl wasn't injured, skin wasn't broken, but she was obviously scared. Surely this is the fault of the family for not teaching their children not to touch dogs? I don't have a dog so haven't really had to think about it before, but my son knows not to touch dogs without confirming with the owner that they're friendly. It is drilled into him!

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Ithoughtitwouldbebetter · Yesterday 20:07

@SoVeryVeryBored that works if he is next to me and walking sedately and I am not making sure a different child isn’t drowning or something! If he’s running ahead or has briefly lingered behind or if I glance the opposite way and a dog approaches us or he sees an exceptionally appealing one he isn’t guaranteed not to pet it. I am on him and I do remind him he must check with the owner but children do things on impulse and I do think it is wise to remember that, not just where dogs are concerned either. He has got better, there was a stage where I thought he needed a lead. And treats, and poo bags, and a crate. I do often think he has a lot in common with your average golden retriever, he even looks a bit like one with wavy blonde hair Smile

GoodLife26 · Yesterday 20:04

The dog should have been on a much shorter lead if the space was that tight you couldn’t pass at a reasonable space. If I was the kid’s parents I’d be furious too. I’d have called the police then and there and be pushing to get the dog destroyed. There are too many aggressive and untrained dogs out there.

SoVeryVeryBored · Yesterday 20:01

Ithoughtitwouldbebetter · Yesterday 15:44

@TheHungryHungryLandsharks i don’t believe I am a bad parent, although I’m certainly not perfect.

I have told DS numerous times not to go up to dogs he doesn’t know. Being completely honest here there’s not really much else that I can do. That doesn’t mean I blithely tell him once and then ignore him; I mean I will say to him as her see a dog ‘leave the dog, he’s having a walk’ and 9/10 times he will obey, he’s fine, the dog is fine but sometimes dogs will appear a bit unexpectedly and sometimes they’ll make a beeline for him (he and someone’s spaniel were having a whale of a time the other day) and stuff happens, I suppose.

DS hasn’t had a bad experience yet, but it could happen.

I do think that I used to believe that children should be perfectly obedient and trained and well … they’re just not, are they?

Surely you take him by the hand and physically remove him? People are banging on about the level of control owners are expected to have over dogs, even when other run over and physically grab them, so parents should be able to control their child, most of whom presumably understand language.

Ponoka7 · Yesterday 20:00

Steeleydan · Yesterday 11:40

The dog wasnt off the lead, totally the child's fault, and the parents for not telling her she shouldn't run up to strange dogs,especially then to wack it on the head. Poor dog

The dog was on an extending lead ahead, away from the owner. You have your dog by your side when people are passing.

SoVeryVeryBored · Yesterday 19:48

dustabsorber · Yesterday 14:15

What if the child was younger or non-verbal, so it would be impossible to teach it to not go up to dogs? Whose fault then? Should small children be on leads in case they go up to dogs and hug them? I find for the plaintiff and award damages against the dog owner.

If a child cannot be taught the parents need to never keeping it under close control as ll manner of things could happen to them.

SoVeryVeryBored · Yesterday 19:47

concertinacornflake · Yesterday 14:15

If it was just the fear of danger then reasonableness would apply.

If a bite has happened, then clearly it isn't a matter of opinion anymore - a bite has occured.

Try reading the post properly- I’m responding to what the other poster said. If thou think she started from the wrong point take it up with her.

Imisssleep88 · Yesterday 19:43

It's the parents/child's fault completely. I was always brought up not to touch dogs I don't know without asking, and that's how I bring my children up too. Although the girl may be shocked and or frightened, the dog had a reflex reaction and girl was unhurt, she should take it as a lesson not to touch dogs she doesn't know. Forget about it.

ACR7 · Yesterday 19:30

I have a two year old and while we comment on dogs she sees I don’t let her get close and certainly wouldn’t let her touch one. On the off chance she darted and did and it bit her I’d be so angry at myself and would take sole blame for it.

Easterchicken · Yesterday 19:20

I'd say it was dog owners fault

Clearly dog wasn't under control and lead was too long

Dog owner saw the family coming towards them and failed to keep the dog on a shorter lead.

If it's a new behaviour I'd be getting dog to the vet as it might be ill and that is also on owner for not noticing

strictlybusinessuntildecember · Yesterday 19:14

Long leads shouldn’t be allowed for any dog if I’m honest so the dog owners should rethink that

but in this case depending on how far the dog was from the owner at the time then yes it’s the child and their parents fault

i have a child who loves dogs and it’s been a nightmare getting him to calm down when he sees one and always ask first if he can stroke them - no he’s not a toddler - he really should no better - although his stroke can then often end in a full on bear hug. I accept that if he gets bitten it’s my fault for not having my child on a shorter lead!

QuietComet · Yesterday 19:03

Everyone and no-one.

1.5m leash is quite long. We always shorten to have the dogs walking at our sides when passing people.

Children should be taught not to approach strange dogs.

Balloonhearts · Yesterday 18:57

dustabsorber · Yesterday 18:37

All dogs above a certain size need muzzling in public. I would rather a 1000 muzzled dogs than 1 kid losing fingers.

Or parents could take some responsibility for their damn kids. Plus, a chihuahua could maim a child. People need to teach their children not to touch random dogs.

Copperoliverbear · Yesterday 18:49

Child and parents fault.

dustabsorber · Yesterday 18:37

All dogs above a certain size need muzzling in public. I would rather a 1000 muzzled dogs than 1 kid losing fingers.

AvengingAngle · Yesterday 18:28

Children should be taught to ask before petting a strange dog.

In credit to both children and their parents, in the 14 or so years I had a dog, I would say at least 90% of children asked before petting him - and he was a small, cute kind of dog (and as harmless and soft as he looked, never once bit or got aggressive - miss him every day).

ThePeppyOpalScroller · Yesterday 18:22

YeOldeGreyhound · Yesterday 15:19

I really doubt that an on lead dog that tried to jump in the direction of a passing person would be seized, and the owner taken to court.

You have to understand that not all people are reasonable.

SonK · Yesterday 17:56

The parents fault of course. Always ask for permission before petting a dog - some dogs do not like it and can become distressed; can never know how they will react

ilovesushi · Yesterday 17:49

There's a nip and a bite and this was a nip. Girl needs to learn some sense around animals and her parents need to learn some manners.

muggart · Yesterday 17:37

if your friend has a dog who gets bitey when children try to pet it, it needs to be muzzled. The fact that the dog was scared doesn’t mean a bite is any less painful!

PixieMcGraw · Yesterday 17:35

I don't think it is the dog's fault at all but perhaps a lesson for all. I have a lurcher who seems to be a magnet for little children. Whenever I walk him in a public place I make sure to swap sides if necessary to put myself between my dog and strangers. Honestly more to protect my dog from stressful situations and to give me more reaction time if needed.

SleeplessRoads · Yesterday 17:31

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SparklyBlueDress · Yesterday 17:08

I have a nervous dog who basically wants to be ignored. She wouldn’t bite but doesn’t want patting by random kids and will try to get behind me. It never ceases to amaze me the number of children who get upset or annoyed when I say no to stroking the dog and the parents that don’t back me up!

OffTheMap · Yesterday 17:02

When I walk my friend’s gentle but slightly nervous dog I bring him right by my leg if there are people approaching on a path, out of consideration for path use but also it is important to protect your dog from the unknown. Kids are often erratic around dogs

But the child’s family need to put their energy into teaching their child not to rush towards strange dogs and touch them. That was very much their fault

EmmaB1309 · Yesterday 16:56

Parents fault

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