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Friend's dog bit a child, whose fault?

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karrabee · Yesterday 09:43

Dog was on a lead, probably 1.5 metres ahead. Family of 2 adults and 2 children walking past in opposite direction. Children probably 4 and 8? As they walked past the younger girl darted towards the dog and put her hand on his head (flat palm almost like she was hitting him but I think she was trying to pat him on the head) and he nipped her. We were passing each other on a path in a park so were quite close already. Had zero time to do anything as from her walking past to touching him happened in about 1.5 seconds. We had no interaction with the other family prior to this. Dog has never bitten before, we think he just got a fright from the girl, but the family went mad and started threatening to call the police saying we have a dangerous dog (he's am old staffy who has never bitten once and we were so shocked that he even nipped her as he is extremely gentle!). Family followed us round the park and kept shouting 'we know where you live, police are going to be well aware of you'. The girl wasn't injured, skin wasn't broken, but she was obviously scared. Surely this is the fault of the family for not teaching their children not to touch dogs? I don't have a dog so haven't really had to think about it before, but my son knows not to touch dogs without confirming with the owner that they're friendly. It is drilled into him!

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AshCullen1894 · Yesterday 11:49

Everyone is at fault. Idiot parents and entitled dog owner

RocketLollyPolly · Yesterday 11:48

Children are expected to be taught not to touch dogs but dogs often run up to, jump up at, sniff, lick etc children and they are expected to put up with it as the dog is being ‘friendly’.

Youre both at fault here - child can’t be trusted around dogs and dog can’t be trusted around children so both should be kept apart. No harm done so you can just move on from it.

MrsShawnHatosy · Yesterday 11:46

PrincessHoneysuckle · Yesterday 11:45

Parents fault but then again adults are no better.I had my tiny dog in my coat once when we were on holiday as she didnt want to walk anymore(diva)
A woman walking past reached out to her and I said "no! Sorry she will nip you if shes not on the ground"
Woman looked very put out but that was better than the alternative.

Gosh some people are so entitled!

PrincessHoneysuckle · Yesterday 11:45

Parents fault but then again adults are no better.I had my tiny dog in my coat once when we were on holiday as she didnt want to walk anymore(diva)
A woman walking past reached out to her and I said "no! Sorry she will nip you if shes not on the ground"
Woman looked very put out but that was better than the alternative.

Steeleydan · Yesterday 11:40

Ponoka7 · Yesterday 10:02

50/50, as said. When you're passing people the dog and children under 5 should be by you. From that far away you couldn't intercept a dog off a lead running over. It protects the dog, especially breeds like a Staffie, who can give as good, if not better than they get. It used to scare me when a small, unleashed dog, would go for my GS, because my dog would be blamed if he killed the other dog.

The dog wasnt off the lead, totally the child's fault, and the parents for not telling her she shouldn't run up to strange dogs,especially then to wack it on the head. Poor dog

SirenScream · Yesterday 11:33

If you choose to keep pet dogs as a hobby then you are responsible for anything the dog does.

SoThatsTheWayItIs · Yesterday 11:31

karrabee · Yesterday 10:56

Where did the narrow bit come from? The path is large, I'd say about 4 metres wide at least. It's a wide path that goes round the outside of the whole park. People cycle and walk around it. Thanks for all responses!

You stated “we were quite close already” in you OP. Either way my opinion stands of there being fault on both sides

Comeondoreen · Yesterday 11:30

My view is fault on both sides, more so on the child’s parents’ side.

But ultimately, if you own a dog you need to be prepared to encounter stupid people. If you choose to own an animal capable of causing serious injury, it’s up to you to prevent that happening - even if other people are being reckless.

rosagarten · Yesterday 11:29

I was well into my fifties when a very nice dog owner with a bad Labrador told me never to pat the top of the dog's head and explained that the dog might perceive it as a threat. I had never been told that in all my years of patting dogs so I wouldn't blame the little girl's parents for not knowing that. Maybe this situation is just why it is always a good idea to teach little chlldren not to pat dogs they don't know without asking the owner first? The owner should maybe have a shorter lead if they are walking on narrow footpaths. The family were overly aggressive.

Floppyearedlab · Yesterday 11:28

MerylSqueak · Yesterday 09:49

I taught my children from a young age not to touch other people's dogs without having been invited to. I think it was the girl's parents' fault.

Absolutely this. You treat animals with respect or they will react. It’s their only way of defending themselves.
My beautiful gentle lab has never been vicious (apart from knocking things over with his waggy tail). But if someone smacked him or poked him in the eye or similar I would have little sympathy for them if he snarled at them.

Tel12 · Yesterday 11:25

This is on the parents. If you approach any dog then it's down to you. Under these circumstances it's quite possible that the parents are encouraging the child to be traumatised unnecessarily. My dog is super friendly and approachable but I don't think that any child has petted without the parents asking permission first.

Ilovelurchers · Yesterday 11:24

No everything has to be someone's fault, and sometimes accidents just happen. If neither child or dog had ever behaved like this before, it's fair enough that their responsible adults didn't plan ahead for it and take adequate precautions.

Going forwards, parents need to keep a closer eye on their child and dog needs to be on a shorter lead in busy public places - also consider one of those warning vests for him if you want to be doubly sure.

The girl's family sound aggressive, but I guess they will have read a lot of stories about kids being killed by dogs, and I suppose the event scared them. They probably aren't evil people.

BluebellBeth · Yesterday 11:20

50/50 imo.

Parents should teach children not to touch dogs without asking, but she's 4 so still very young and perhaps she's never done this before either.

owners should keep dogs close when passing others as you simply never know what might happen, as this case demonstrates.

oviraptor21 · Yesterday 11:19

oviraptor21 · Yesterday 11:12

Owner's fault. Dog should have been kept at heel once children had been seen.
Dog needs nuzzling now.

Muzzling obviously - although some nuzzling is fine too as the dog didn't do anything wrong

FrogsAtDawn · Yesterday 11:18

Both. Parents should have made sure the child didn’t go towards the dog. Dog owner should have had the dog closer. This is why when I see someone with a dog approaching I make sure child is on other side of me to the dog.

oviraptor21 · Yesterday 11:13

Wiseplumnet · Yesterday 10:28

Parents should have taught children of this age not to approach or touch strange dogs. Dog was on lead and therefore under control, It wasn't muzzled but had no biting history. Like the poster up thread, I pull over with our dog to the side of narrow pathways until people have passed by. My dog has never bitten, but I could never guarantee how he wouldn't react to young children moving quickly toward him. The parents are responsible for keeping their children safe ( different if dog is uncontrolled in public). Definitely not the dogs fault and I doubt this would go further. You may want to preempt by reporting incident to 101 just so it is logged and you get your side in , if anything the family threatening you would be taken more seriously.

As has been demonstrated - on lead was not under control.

oviraptor21 · Yesterday 11:12

Owner's fault. Dog should have been kept at heel once children had been seen.
Dog needs nuzzling now.

CherryKerry · Yesterday 11:10

100% kids fault but owner maybe needs a shorter lead to keep full control.

Older dog probably can't see and hear as well as they used to so that will hopefully stop dog getting a fright and lashing out.

Regardless of fault, its not worth the risk as imagine how awful your friend would feel if their dog chomped a toddlers finger off.

Personally, if I had people following me round the park acting in a threatening manner I would have called the police for my own safety too.

Savvysix1984 · Yesterday 11:10

Both are at fault. When I’m passing people on a street I always pull my dog close so that he’s at my heal. I also think the other parents need to teach their child not to approach a dog without permission.

Gizlotsmum · Yesterday 11:01

karrabee · Yesterday 10:56

Where did the narrow bit come from? The path is large, I'd say about 4 metres wide at least. It's a wide path that goes round the outside of the whole park. People cycle and walk around it. Thanks for all responses!

Your original post says passing on a path so quite close together already which is probably where posters took narrow from

Itiswhysofew · Yesterday 10:57

It would be a shock to the child and parents, but they should've been in control. I walk my niece's Staffy and I'm so careful with him. I have to say though, anyone that wants to say hello or pet him always ask. I haven't encountered any kids rushing up to him, thank goodness. Maybe my stern face puts them offGrin

I had a friend who always had Boxers. She was walking them one day and two kids came running over to them. She stopped them and told the mother off!

karrabee · Yesterday 10:56

Where did the narrow bit come from? The path is large, I'd say about 4 metres wide at least. It's a wide path that goes round the outside of the whole park. People cycle and walk around it. Thanks for all responses!

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Mycatiscraycray · Yesterday 10:55

Who’d let their kid slap a random dog on the head then complain when it reacted? I’m no dog lover but jeez

Pastasaladaddict · Yesterday 10:50

1.5m is not a long lead. That's only 1.5 steps ahead and if walking that's totally normal. My dog is on a normal lead and is probably that far ahead of me when walking, otherwise I would trip over him.

My DC have know since they could walk that you never approach a dog, you always ask the owner first. We have been lucky that this has always been the case when kids have wanted to say hello to our dog when out and about. They have asked very politely and we have asked them to be nice and calm because he's still young and can get a little bit excited. There have been zero issues.

The parents are fully at fault here. Plus it's an older Staffie, they look hard as hell but in reality they are mostly absolute wimps, the dog gave a warning which is what it should have done in the circumstances. Hopefully the child and parents have learnt a valuable lesson.

Catseawitch · Yesterday 10:48

The idiot parents are responsible. They should have taught their child not to run to random dogs and touch them.

The dog was on a lead and minding its own business...