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It's "the worsT", not "the worse"

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Dovesono · 17/09/2026 20:51

Well not always, but most of the time when people write "worse", they actually mean "worst".

If the worst should happen.
If the worst comes to the worst.
The worst thing I have ever seen.
She is the worst person I know.

As in "bad, worse, worst."
Opposite of "good, better best."

Thank you.

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augustuss · 18/09/2026 08:28

CremeDeMure · 18/09/2026 08:15

You have used one of the ones that gets to me in this post. So many people using cringe when they mean cringeworthy or cringey.

It has become common to use cringe as an adjective online to add brevity and punchlines. Language evolves quickly online and I’m embracing that.
It is very different to saying ‘apart’ instead of ‘a part’ in a written message sent out to parents.

CamillaMcCauley · 18/09/2026 08:30

augustuss · 18/09/2026 08:28

It has become common to use cringe as an adjective online to add brevity and punchlines. Language evolves quickly online and I’m embracing that.
It is very different to saying ‘apart’ instead of ‘a part’ in a written message sent out to parents.

Exactly. These days, I would be most likely to describe the aforementioned niggardly portion of chips as “a bit povo”. Next year there may be a funnier word to use.

TheEdgyMoose · 18/09/2026 08:37

borntobequiet · 18/09/2026 08:24

It’s not regional and I would certainly use it in general conversation. I would expect whoever I was conversing with to either understand it or make an effort to find out what it means.

There was an incident not so long ago where an angry mob gathered outside the house of a paediatrician, forcing her from her home, thinking her to be a paedophile. This is where such ignorance and laziness gets us.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/vigilante-mob-attacks-home-of-paediatrician-710864.html

You can argue all you like but, whether you use it or not, niggardly is a word that has fallen out of common use. I personally don't think the language would be worse off if we let go of that one particular word. You are welcome to disagree (and you obviously do).

I don't think it compares to "paediatrician" which is in common use and isn't so easily replaced.

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 18/09/2026 08:44

Mmm bratwurst, said in my Homerist Simpsony voice.

BishBashBoshDumpling · 18/09/2026 08:51

CoffeeCantata · 18/09/2026 07:58

Just a thought...

I'm a pedant when it comes to official use of language and professional people's use of language.

But of course I understand that some people haven't had the benefit of a good education, or don't come from families where reading and discussion was encouraged. However, I feel very strongly about the importance of literacy for everyone. To deprive people of language and to tell them it doesn't matter is the opposite of empowering.

Sometimes - rarely - on MN there's an Original Post which is illiterate: no sentence breaks, no paras, spelling and grammar all over the place etc. These posts are hard to understand and pps often ask for clarification. The ones I've seen have been from an OP who is clearly in need of help and advice - they tend not to be the lighthearted, frivolous threads. It always strikes me how hard life can be for people who don't have a command of English for one reason or another.

That's why I feel so strongly about language - it's a vital tool and not just for poets and academics. You might not be into creative writing, but everyone needs to leave school feeling confident that they can make themselves clear in both speech and writing - it's not a trivial matter.

Brilliantly put!

Sahara123 · 18/09/2026 08:56

There’s a shop in a village near me which has etched on its window that they sell “ Jams and preservatives “ . I actually make myself a bit crazy at times thinking about this as I begin to doubt myself- surely the sign writer who did it must’ve known it was wrong !

CoffeeCantata · 18/09/2026 08:57

TheEdgyMoose · 18/09/2026 08:37

You can argue all you like but, whether you use it or not, niggardly is a word that has fallen out of common use. I personally don't think the language would be worse off if we let go of that one particular word. You are welcome to disagree (and you obviously do).

I don't think it compares to "paediatrician" which is in common use and isn't so easily replaced.

Why, in the name of God, would anyone object to “paediatrician”? Or niggardly, for that matter?

This is just pandering to ignorance. Why should a rich, subtle and expressive language be impoverished just to suit its least skilled users?

Have we lost our minds?

Nutmuncher · 18/09/2026 09:00

Some people are just thick OP.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 18/09/2026 09:03

Dovesono · 17/09/2026 22:48

Because they don't read.

Yes, that’s true. Usually learned behaviour in childhood or not taught, luckily mumsnet is here to teach the illiterate folk who spell words the way they speak.
I have seen some shocking misspellings on SM but misplacing similar words is different.
I myself learned a lot through mumsnet when it was a kinder crowd. My SPAG will never be perfect, however these threads are shitty as you know well the reasons for this is lack of education, not that they were born thick.
Before anyone starts with everyone is entitled and an education, in a disadvantaged area’s there isn’t much learning in schools. Surviving.

CoffeeCantata · 18/09/2026 09:03

CamillaMcCauley · 18/09/2026 08:26

You do understand that by definition, 50 percent of people are in the lower half of the intelligence curve, right?

I think I would describe it as dealing in effective reality rather than delusional ideology.

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I’m not sure what that statistic implies. Some people may not be able to master a foreign language but most people can learn to use their mother-tongue effectively if emphasis is placed on this in the education system.

We may have a greater or lesser facility with English but devaluing and impoverishing the language itself is not the answer. Better initiatives to raise standards of literacy is the e way to go. I feel really strongly that to patronise and deny people from educationally-deprived backgrounds robs them of power and dignity.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 18/09/2026 09:08

CoffeeCantata · 18/09/2026 07:09

One I see a lot on here is 'step foot' instead of 'set foot'.

"I'll never step foot in their house again!"

Does is matter? I don't know, in the grand scheme of things, but it irritates the hell out of me, like a piece of grit in my shoe!

That’s another from across the pond. It doesn’t even make sense!

Peddle instead of pedal is a new one I’ve seen recently.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 18/09/2026 09:13

CoffeeCantata · 18/09/2026 08:02

I've done a lot of public speaking and always tailor my material to the audience. But that doesn't mean I compromise on quality of language - that would be unbelievably patronising.

I wouldn't assume a Cockney accent and start doing glottal stops to ingratiate myself with an audience - simply because I'd made all kinds of assumptions about them! And before you sneer at this - I've seen it done. Actually, Tony Blair was a big offender in this way - he was a public schoolboy who felt he needed to talk down to the masses. I don't think 'the masses' like that, or are fooled by it!

Blair is not the only politician (or anyone else in the public eye) who’s tried to sound un-posh by dropping Ts, and sometimes also Gs at the end of -ing words, in the hope of endearing himself to the plebs.

Dovesono · 18/09/2026 09:14

SeptUsername · 18/09/2026 08:06

That should be “if worse comes to worst”.

No it shouldn't. That is a modern variant which is commonly accepted, but is not the original version.

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CamillaMcCauley · 18/09/2026 09:15

CoffeeCantata · 18/09/2026 09:03

I’m not sure what that statistic implies. Some people may not be able to master a foreign language but most people can learn to use their mother-tongue effectively if emphasis is placed on this in the education system.

We may have a greater or lesser facility with English but devaluing and impoverishing the language itself is not the answer. Better initiatives to raise standards of literacy is the e way to go. I feel really strongly that to patronise and deny people from educationally-deprived backgrounds robs them of power and dignity.

Nowhere have I suggested denying or patronizing people from deprived backgrounds, nor have I suggested devaluing or impoverishing the language, so you are doing a lot of shadow-boxing here.

CoffeeCantata · 18/09/2026 09:17

Sahara123 · 18/09/2026 08:56

There’s a shop in a village near me which has etched on its window that they sell “ Jams and preservatives “ . I actually make myself a bit crazy at times thinking about this as I begin to doubt myself- surely the sign writer who did it must’ve known it was wrong !

I was once at an event - quite a posh one - where the menu had 'profiter rolls' as a dessert. I mean - if you're a professional caterer, surely you know how to spell the name of popular dishes, and if you don't....you check.

Getting another person to check always helps too! When I'm writing anything for public consumption I always ask someone to read it through. You can spot other people's mistakes much more easily.

CoffeeCantata · 18/09/2026 09:18

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 18/09/2026 09:13

Blair is not the only politician (or anyone else in the public eye) who’s tried to sound un-posh by dropping Ts, and sometimes also Gs at the end of -ing words, in the hope of endearing himself to the plebs.

True!

And it's never a good look.

Greenlawnbrownlawn · 18/09/2026 09:21

How sad that those of use who try and want to use our rich language well are termed "snobs". Oh let's all go and live in the gutter, and don't any of us bother looking at the stars.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 18/09/2026 09:24

CoffeeCantata · 18/09/2026 09:03

I’m not sure what that statistic implies. Some people may not be able to master a foreign language but most people can learn to use their mother-tongue effectively if emphasis is placed on this in the education system.

We may have a greater or lesser facility with English but devaluing and impoverishing the language itself is not the answer. Better initiatives to raise standards of literacy is the e way to go. I feel really strongly that to patronise and deny people from educationally-deprived backgrounds robs them of power and dignity.

Personally I have a real issue with anyone telling children or young people that these things don’t matter any more - only finicking old pedants give a toss.
Many people certainly DO care, and quite apart from anything else, being unable to write clear, largely correct, basic English may well make it harder for them to find jobs.

Xanhi · 18/09/2026 09:24

There are loads of things that people struggle with. Spelling is definitely not the worst. I never understand why spelling is pointed out so often? Don't people realise that this is far worse than being a bad speller. They might as well write 'I can spell and I have noticed your spelling errors. I think that makes me clever. Can I have a gold star?'

Someone posts about their husband having a threesome with their best friend and their sister and someone petty will come along and point out the spelling mistake or pretend they don't understand the meaning because they used there, instead of their.

TheEdgyMoose · 18/09/2026 09:25

CoffeeCantata · 18/09/2026 08:57

Why, in the name of God, would anyone object to “paediatrician”? Or niggardly, for that matter?

This is just pandering to ignorance. Why should a rich, subtle and expressive language be impoverished just to suit its least skilled users?

Have we lost our minds?

No one has objected to the word "paediatrician".

Do you really not understand the objection to the word "niggardly"? (To be clear, I don't object to the word but I understand why people would avoid using it and it's not a word I would miss if it was no longer used.)

Dovesono · 18/09/2026 09:28

Imseriouslyyouguys · 18/09/2026 07:25

You don’t need to have “immaculate grammar” to know the correct version of your/you’re which is really not a complicated concept and is taught at primary school level. Same applies to there/their/they’re, yet these mistakes are depressingly common.

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Exactly. People who are bad at maths can't just pay £10 for something that costs £100, and no-one would be accused of being snobby for pointing it out.

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Dovesono · 18/09/2026 09:31

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 18/09/2026 09:24

Personally I have a real issue with anyone telling children or young people that these things don’t matter any more - only finicking old pedants give a toss.
Many people certainly DO care, and quite apart from anything else, being unable to write clear, largely correct, basic English may well make it harder for them to find jobs.

I agree. Language is a tool, and tools are much more effective if used properly. Two words can look and/or sound similar but have subtly or completely different meanings.

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teaandtoastwithmarmite · 18/09/2026 09:32

Prolly is the worst one I’ve seen

teaandtoastwithmarmite · 18/09/2026 09:33

CoffeeCantata · 18/09/2026 09:17

I was once at an event - quite a posh one - where the menu had 'profiter rolls' as a dessert. I mean - if you're a professional caterer, surely you know how to spell the name of popular dishes, and if you don't....you check.

Getting another person to check always helps too! When I'm writing anything for public consumption I always ask someone to read it through. You can spot other people's mistakes much more easily.

😂

CamillaMcCauley · 18/09/2026 09:34

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 18/09/2026 09:24

Personally I have a real issue with anyone telling children or young people that these things don’t matter any more - only finicking old pedants give a toss.
Many people certainly DO care, and quite apart from anything else, being unable to write clear, largely correct, basic English may well make it harder for them to find jobs.

Have you heard of AI? Nobody has problems producing clear, largely correct copy these days if they really need to,

Though if they’re worried about finding a job, they should also probably worry more about AI gate-keeping them than grammar pedants.

However there is also a big difference between “telling people these things don’t matter” and recognising that these things don’t matter to a lot of people.

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