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It's "the worsT", not "the worse"

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Dovesono · 17/09/2026 20:51

Well not always, but most of the time when people write "worse", they actually mean "worst".

If the worst should happen.
If the worst comes to the worst.
The worst thing I have ever seen.
She is the worst person I know.

As in "bad, worse, worst."
Opposite of "good, better best."

Thank you.

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Millytante · 19/09/2026 14:20

Ironfloor269 · 19/09/2026 10:32

I reach in a secondary school. My colleague is dyslexic. She made a wall display with a very obvious grammatical error. When I pointed this out and advised her to correct it, I was told (by her) that it should be left as it is because ‘mistakes are ok and that we should embrace them’!! 😵‍💫

I mean, there’s no hope for the teenagers we teach if the bloody staff have this attitude!

Yes, that crap has always driven me up the wall. The widespread resistance to learning about grammar is quite stunning, with every possible argument dragged in to defend ‘anything goes’ prose.
The most distressing of them is the accusation of class prejudice, or perhaps worse still, when Americans hurl ‘Racist! Colonialist!’ at one. (Hard to argue re the latter as it's all so far from familiar, but surely one might mention Hiberno-English with equal justification, and cite two or three Irish Nobel literary laureates!)

But the point I wanted to make is about the resistance to rote learning, or indeed anything where basic rules are stressed. Outrage is a common reaction to this idea.
Objectors haven’t the same animus against instructions for setting up complicated gaming gizmos, the games themselves, or driving a car according to the Highway Code, etc etc.
I reckon that given a working brain, you can learn a hell of a lot if you just agree to do it. Harrumph!
(Why yes! I AM 103)

Millytante · 19/09/2026 14:22

CoffeeCantata · 18/09/2026 06:52

That's what makes it so interesting!

French and German and Italian follow rules about spelling and pronunciation, but English is a bit wild due to its history.

I love it for that!

I agree! What a fabulously flexible language to inherit; we (most of us) are very fortunate to have been born into it.

ElenOfTheWays · 19/09/2026 14:24

CoffeeCantata · 18/09/2026 08:02

I've done a lot of public speaking and always tailor my material to the audience. But that doesn't mean I compromise on quality of language - that would be unbelievably patronising.

I wouldn't assume a Cockney accent and start doing glottal stops to ingratiate myself with an audience - simply because I'd made all kinds of assumptions about them! And before you sneer at this - I've seen it done. Actually, Tony Blair was a big offender in this way - he was a public schoolboy who felt he needed to talk down to the masses. I don't think 'the masses' like that, or are fooled by it!

Tbf Tony Blair is a huge dick in so many ways

ElenOfTheWays · 19/09/2026 15:08

RikthePoet · 18/09/2026 14:26

It is irrelevant whether you think niggardly shouldn't have those connotations. The fact is, it does and you have experienced that it does. You might think it's a good word. Others think it's a bad word. Words become loaded over time, as you say.

What rubbish! A Niggard or niggardly person does not relate in ANY way to a racial slur used against black people. I'll agree it isn't in massively common usage these days but it's not archaic either nor us it offensive - except maybe to Scrooge.

CoffeeCantata · 19/09/2026 15:39

ElenOfTheWays · 19/09/2026 15:08

What rubbish! A Niggard or niggardly person does not relate in ANY way to a racial slur used against black people. I'll agree it isn't in massively common usage these days but it's not archaic either nor us it offensive - except maybe to Scrooge.

Hallelujah!

Amen to that.

CoffeeCantata · 19/09/2026 15:48

TheThirteenthFairy · 19/09/2026 10:17

Mid 1990s. Unfortunately, in some circles a fondness for correct SPAG has always been deemed elitist, and still is. I've also noticed that quite a lot of people have an aversion to 'unnecessary' words. I've been taken to task for saying 'mournful' when of course I could've just said 'sad.' I've been ridiculed for saying 'smirk' - 'Oi, oi, what's that when it's at home?' There are swathes of people who are ignorant and proud of it; unfortunately my mum was one of them.

Oh gosh - my poor sister moved jobs and was in a very nasty office culture infected with inverse snobbery. Her mistake was to use a word her boss didn’t know during a presentation…he tried to humiliate her by sneering and saying the word didn’t exist. It happened years ago so unfortunately I can’t remember the word, but I do remember it wasn’t THAT unusual.

And a friend, in her first job as a retail manager, fell foul of her boss when she used the word “elipse”. He didn’t know what an elipse was and after she explained a frosty silence fell and things were never the same again. She left asap.

I’m lucky - I’ve rarely encountered this kind of attitude at work but I know it happens.

aloris · 19/09/2026 15:55

Notsosweetcaroline · 17/09/2026 21:35

It’s the word draws for me, I cannot for the life of me fathom how people don’t know they are drawers, don’t they read, anything, from online articles to books, how on earth does anyone not know your cupboard or bedside cabinet has drawers, not draws.

They do not read books. They only read online, usually social media (like mumsnet) where editing is treated as pedantic. Nothing is corrected so anything incorrect just gets repeated and fixed into common usage.

HollyhocksandPeons · 19/09/2026 15:56

And eTcetera, not Iksetra when you say it.

ForeverDelayedEpiphany · 19/09/2026 16:00

There, their, they're OP, it'll be alright. (!) 😬😅

Hope that's maid you feel better haha 😄

Seriously though, I absolutely agree, although I'm quite pedantic as I am an editor/journalist by trade so get narked at typos, spelling mistakes etc.

The worst one I read yesterday was from my deputy editor line manager, who wrote per say in his reply to my email! 😬

Pawparazzi · 19/09/2026 16:02

You can't say 'pretty good'. The phrase is 'pretty well'.

Dovesono · 19/09/2026 17:11

Pawparazzi · 19/09/2026 16:02

You can't say 'pretty good'. The phrase is 'pretty well'.

Surely that depends whether you require an adjective or an adverb?

If someone asked you your opinion on a book or a film you wouldn't say, "it was pretty well". I suppose you could say, "I enjoyed it very well," if you wanted to sound like you were from the 18th century.

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Pawparazzi · 19/09/2026 17:22

We don't live in the 18th century.

Greenandyellowday · 19/09/2026 18:49

Read today on Mumsnet: "Carry on as you where". Were and where seem to have become interchangeable on here.

Also frequently see "we was" instead of "we were".

ExOptimist · 19/09/2026 21:41

Pawparazzi · 19/09/2026 16:02

You can't say 'pretty good'. The phrase is 'pretty well'.

This is the same thing as when people are now asked "how are you?" the answer is so often "I'm good thanks".

Yes, you may be very well-behaved or talented at something, but the answer should be " I'm well thanks" or "very well thanks". It infuriates me.

Ironfloor269 · 20/09/2026 10:27

ExOptimist · 19/09/2026 21:41

This is the same thing as when people are now asked "how are you?" the answer is so often "I'm good thanks".

Yes, you may be very well-behaved or talented at something, but the answer should be " I'm well thanks" or "very well thanks". It infuriates me.

It’s to DD’s greatest annoyance that I ask her to repeat what she said correctly this time, when she responds ‘I’m good’ when asked ‘how are you today?’ 😀

Bbq1 · 20/09/2026 10:49

I once saw a sign in a shop window advertising a "glass bowel" for sale!

Greenandyellowday · 20/09/2026 11:06

Just read a MN thread about fitted sheets. Someone mentioned that M&S ones have a "discrete" label to indicate which is the short side.

likelysuspect · 20/09/2026 11:53

Ironfloor269 · 20/09/2026 10:27

It’s to DD’s greatest annoyance that I ask her to repeat what she said correctly this time, when she responds ‘I’m good’ when asked ‘how are you today?’ 😀

Although I did say upthread that my OH struggles to pronounce some words correctly, he also just says things wrong, he says 'stye' instead of 'stile', 'oh theres a stye up ahead'

He says Kway instead of Quay

It really annoys me.

likelysuspect · 20/09/2026 11:54

Bbq1 · 20/09/2026 10:49

I once saw a sign in a shop window advertising a "glass bowel" for sale!

I really love that!

CoffeeCantata · 20/09/2026 12:32

likelysuspect · 20/09/2026 11:53

Although I did say upthread that my OH struggles to pronounce some words correctly, he also just says things wrong, he says 'stye' instead of 'stile', 'oh theres a stye up ahead'

He says Kway instead of Quay

It really annoys me.

Someone I know used to say “strow ” for straw. I’m fairly aware of regional accents but I’d never come across this pronunciation.

It does seem weird!

RikthePoet · 20/09/2026 12:43

Ironfloor269 · 20/09/2026 10:27

It’s to DD’s greatest annoyance that I ask her to repeat what she said correctly this time, when she responds ‘I’m good’ when asked ‘how are you today?’ 😀

Yeah, because you're being an arse.

"I'm good" is an initially American and now very common British expression.

Language changes across generations. This is it changing.

There is no logical reason why your use of the language is "correct" and your daughter's use is "incorrect".

There is no authority deciding you are right and she is wrong and we should stop pretending there is. All we have is practice and observation.

Suchevilforebodings · 20/09/2026 12:46

Genuinely/generally winds me right up. So many people say generally when they mean genuinely now, and I've noticed my 8 year old has started doing it. Training her out of that asap!

Ironfloor269 · 20/09/2026 13:16

RikthePoet · 20/09/2026 12:43

Yeah, because you're being an arse.

"I'm good" is an initially American and now very common British expression.

Language changes across generations. This is it changing.

There is no logical reason why your use of the language is "correct" and your daughter's use is "incorrect".

There is no authority deciding you are right and she is wrong and we should stop pretending there is. All we have is practice and observation.

😆

Ironfloor269 · 20/09/2026 13:20

RikthePoet · 20/09/2026 12:43

Yeah, because you're being an arse.

"I'm good" is an initially American and now very common British expression.

Language changes across generations. This is it changing.

There is no logical reason why your use of the language is "correct" and your daughter's use is "incorrect".

There is no authority deciding you are right and she is wrong and we should stop pretending there is. All we have is practice and observation.

American English 😂

No, there’s English and then there’s mistakes.

RikthePoet · 20/09/2026 13:37

Ironfloor269 · 20/09/2026 13:20

American English 😂

No, there’s English and then there’s mistakes.

I know you reckon you're being droll and sophisticated, but this is pretty awful British exceptionalism. It's a Farage view of language.

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