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It's "the worsT", not "the worse"

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Dovesono · 17/09/2026 20:51

Well not always, but most of the time when people write "worse", they actually mean "worst".

If the worst should happen.
If the worst comes to the worst.
The worst thing I have ever seen.
She is the worst person I know.

As in "bad, worse, worst."
Opposite of "good, better best."

Thank you.

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Abitofalark · 18/09/2026 21:32

TheThirteenthFairy · 18/09/2026 19:14

I did a teaching course eons ago and was told that if a word is misused often enough, it becomes correct, and we were asked if we would mark down a student who used 'refute' when they meant 'deny'. Hands went up, including mine, and we were told that we shouldn't do this; we should just allow it.

On Sky last night the news bulletin stated that the White House 'has refuted' a report about the bombing of a school in Iran. I doubted that the White House had. Later I heard more detail on the World Service news which said that the UN report had delivered an opinion about the bombing and that the White House had said it gave no credibility to the findings of the UN report.

ErrolTheDragon · 18/09/2026 21:36

CoffeeCantata · 18/09/2026 21:25

Ah - that’s interesting. In other words, it means “ it witnesses”. But I still think “speaks of” would make more sense. “speaks to” is just nonsensical and strikes me as merely a piece of jargon which has been thoughtlessly adopted.

Often as not, ‘speaks’ isn’t really the best word anyway. ‘This painting illustrates the role etc’.

CoffeeCantata · 18/09/2026 22:08

ErrolTheDragon · 18/09/2026 21:36

Often as not, ‘speaks’ isn’t really the best word anyway. ‘This painting illustrates the role etc’.

I totally agree. I’m just mystified as to why this odd and unsuitable phrase has become so prevalent in academia.

CoffeeCantata · 18/09/2026 22:08

CamillaMcCauley · 18/09/2026 19:38

My post got blocked, presumably because I used the word that niggardly gets associated with.

Whoopsie!

Abitofalark · 18/09/2026 22:20

I'm even less sure now what it does mean. So I looked it up.
Here's a dictionary entry which suggests speaks about; comments on; addresses; is relevant to.
"1. phrasal verb
To speak to an issue or question is to speak about it or comment on it with knowledge and authority.
I will speak to this issue at the appropriate juncture. [VERBPHRASE noun]
No one is really speaking to the needs, wants, and desires of young people. [VERBPHRASE noun]
2. phrasal verb
If something speaks to an issue or question, it is relevant to it.
Other scientists interviewed said the incident spoke to a wider issue. [VERBPHRASE noun]
This speaks to a more general point. [VERBPHRASE noun] "
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/speak-to

RikthePoet · 18/09/2026 22:30

CamillaMcCauley · 18/09/2026 19:38

My post got blocked, presumably because I used the word that niggardly gets associated with.

OK, now I understand.

You are happy to use the n-word. Got it.

CamillaMcCauley · 18/09/2026 22:37

RikthePoet · 18/09/2026 22:30

OK, now I understand.

You are happy to use the n-word. Got it.

lol whatever. I’ll wait for your apology when the post is unblocked.

CoffeeCantata · 19/09/2026 05:59

Abitofalark · 18/09/2026 22:20

I'm even less sure now what it does mean. So I looked it up.
Here's a dictionary entry which suggests speaks about; comments on; addresses; is relevant to.
"1. phrasal verb
To speak to an issue or question is to speak about it or comment on it with knowledge and authority.
I will speak to this issue at the appropriate juncture. [VERBPHRASE noun]
No one is really speaking to the needs, wants, and desires of young people. [VERBPHRASE noun]
2. phrasal verb
If something speaks to an issue or question, it is relevant to it.
Other scientists interviewed said the incident spoke to a wider issue. [VERBPHRASE noun]
This speaks to a more general point. [VERBPHRASE noun] "
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/speak-to

Edited

Thanks, Abitofalark.

It’s certainly become established in the academic world but I will always flinch when I hear it. To me it just seems a weird new way of saying something we’ve always managed to say better. I suppose what really bugs me is that I detest jargon and the way expressions get picked up and over-used, and for me, it fails into that category.

Pollymollydolly · 19/09/2026 06:25

The standard of English has definitely fallen. Basic grammar is lacking - I don’t think it is being taught in schools. Very few people nowadays seem to be able to use ‘me’ and ‘I’ correctly e.g it’s only Jane and I at home….doesnt make any sense! You wouldn’t say it’s only I at home. It’s such a basic grammar rule, I’m shocked to see it so often.

It’s also incredibly common to see people get their tenses mixed up e.g saying she’d already went instead of gone, or I’d already ate instead of eaten.

CoffeeCantata · 19/09/2026 08:30

I suspect that spoken and written language is probably of a similar standard to that of the past but what has changed is a belief in ‘correct’ usage amongst teachers and academics. It’s just not fashionable and this is a result partly of the post-modern debunking of authority in all kinds of areas.

You always get the ‘Don’t you know that language is dynamic, and always changing?’ comments. Yes, I know that, but it’s a gradual process and for everyone’s sake it’s helpful to impose basic rules and conventions and to differentiate between what’s OK in colloquial English from what is required in official or formal contexts.

pointythings · 19/09/2026 08:34

Pollymollydolly · 19/09/2026 06:25

The standard of English has definitely fallen. Basic grammar is lacking - I don’t think it is being taught in schools. Very few people nowadays seem to be able to use ‘me’ and ‘I’ correctly e.g it’s only Jane and I at home….doesnt make any sense! You wouldn’t say it’s only I at home. It’s such a basic grammar rule, I’m shocked to see it so often.

It’s also incredibly common to see people get their tenses mixed up e.g saying she’d already went instead of gone, or I’d already ate instead of eaten.

Basic grammar absolutely is taught in schools, in a way that it was not up until the early 2000s. In fact that may be part of the problem - if you get grammaticcal terminology thrown at you (fronted adverbials, anyone?) at school at the expense of actually enjoying writing, it turns you off. It isn't that. It's screens, it's not reading to your children, it's not presenting reading as something pleasurable and it's analysing literature to death at school.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 19/09/2026 08:53

TheThirteenthFairy · 18/09/2026 19:14

I did a teaching course eons ago and was told that if a word is misused often enough, it becomes correct, and we were asked if we would mark down a student who used 'refute' when they meant 'deny'. Hands went up, including mine, and we were told that we shouldn't do this; we should just allow it.

Was that in the era when a preference for correct SPAG was deemed elitist?

TheThirteenthFairy · 19/09/2026 10:17

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 19/09/2026 08:53

Was that in the era when a preference for correct SPAG was deemed elitist?

Mid 1990s. Unfortunately, in some circles a fondness for correct SPAG has always been deemed elitist, and still is. I've also noticed that quite a lot of people have an aversion to 'unnecessary' words. I've been taken to task for saying 'mournful' when of course I could've just said 'sad.' I've been ridiculed for saying 'smirk' - 'Oi, oi, what's that when it's at home?' There are swathes of people who are ignorant and proud of it; unfortunately my mum was one of them.

Ironfloor269 · 19/09/2026 10:20

CoffeeCantata · 18/09/2026 13:10

I’m against the idea of ditching basic skills to put our faith in technology to this degree.

OK, it’s fine if you know how to use language to start with, but it’s analogous to the idea that it’s OK to use a calculator in maths as long as you understand the principles behind the operations. It’s no substitute for understanding how maths works.

I could give lots of egs about this kind of thing…but I’ll try to restrain myself. Many younger people find analogue clocks difficult - and I suppose they are - but with the analogue clock face you get a graphic illustration of the passage of time as well as a way of understanding how hors, minutes and seconds relate to each other. Digital clocks are great for many purposes but the information is displayed in a much more abstract way. I think analogue clocks are best if you’re in an exam and need to see how much time you have left at a glance.

Hear hear.

Ironfloor269 · 19/09/2026 10:32

I reach in a secondary school. My colleague is dyslexic. She made a wall display with a very obvious grammatical error. When I pointed this out and advised her to correct it, I was told (by her) that it should be left as it is because ‘mistakes are ok and that we should embrace them’!! 😵‍💫

I mean, there’s no hope for the teenagers we teach if the bloody staff have this attitude!

fluffiphlox · 19/09/2026 10:39

I had an argument with someone once about de-fuse and diffuse. They seemed to think that they were interchangeable.
The spelling on public forums is generally terrible and an indictment of our education system. (‘Pedal stool’,’rest bite’, both seen on here.)

Tedsnan1 · 19/09/2026 11:13

LuckyHazelFox · 18/09/2026 11:02

Isn't it just.

Isn't it just?

Abitofalark · 19/09/2026 11:16

CoffeeCantata · 19/09/2026 05:59

Thanks, Abitofalark.

It’s certainly become established in the academic world but I will always flinch when I hear it. To me it just seems a weird new way of saying something we’ve always managed to say better. I suppose what really bugs me is that I detest jargon and the way expressions get picked up and over-used, and for me, it fails into that category.

There are some cliches and phrases that I don't mind and others that I react to in the same way as you do to 'speaks to' and have the same irritation at the way they are picked up and are suddenly everywhere. That's partly because the media, the politicians and the chattering classes all talk to each other more than to the actual audience. (Hence the cosy references on the BBC to Jeremy or David or Jane or Anita, when no one listening has a clue who Jeremy or Anita are.) I remember a discussion on Sky with three or four people - a presenter, a reporter, a guest commentator etc - and within five minutes every one of them had used the phrase 'psycho drama'. At that point I switched off.

Another one that came around suddenly was to litigate or relitigate. It was said by Vance in the White House, apparently meaning to argue or dispute. I'd always thought of it as meaning court action. But soon our politicians and chatterers started using it in the political argument sense.

curtaintwitcher78 · 19/09/2026 11:20

WearingBeautifulShoes · 17/09/2026 21:26

😆

Had to correct a friend's CV and job application many years ago because it was littered with this.
She's now several grades above me and an insufferable prick 😂

Abitofalark · 19/09/2026 11:42

TheThirteenthFairy · 19/09/2026 10:17

Mid 1990s. Unfortunately, in some circles a fondness for correct SPAG has always been deemed elitist, and still is. I've also noticed that quite a lot of people have an aversion to 'unnecessary' words. I've been taken to task for saying 'mournful' when of course I could've just said 'sad.' I've been ridiculed for saying 'smirk' - 'Oi, oi, what's that when it's at home?' There are swathes of people who are ignorant and proud of it; unfortunately my mum was one of them.

As if you were getting above yourself for using a more than basic vocabulary or a vivid word like smirk. Fortunately my mother wasn't like that.

MerchWill · 19/09/2026 12:34

Pollymollydolly · 19/09/2026 06:25

The standard of English has definitely fallen. Basic grammar is lacking - I don’t think it is being taught in schools. Very few people nowadays seem to be able to use ‘me’ and ‘I’ correctly e.g it’s only Jane and I at home….doesnt make any sense! You wouldn’t say it’s only I at home. It’s such a basic grammar rule, I’m shocked to see it so often.

It’s also incredibly common to see people get their tenses mixed up e.g saying she’d already went instead of gone, or I’d already ate instead of eaten.

In the example you give, “it is I” is correct. In the dark ages of the 1950s, at a grammar school, we had it drummed into us that “the verb to be takes the nominative”.
It is acknowledged now that this can sound artificial in informal communication and “it is me" is acceptable, although “it is I” should be used formally.

HateLongCovid · 19/09/2026 13:04

GaIadriel · 17/09/2026 23:11

Wurst if you're German.

😂

Pollymollydolly · 19/09/2026 13:49

MerchWill · 19/09/2026 12:34

In the example you give, “it is I” is correct. In the dark ages of the 1950s, at a grammar school, we had it drummed into us that “the verb to be takes the nominative”.
It is acknowledged now that this can sound artificial in informal communication and “it is me" is acceptable, although “it is I” should be used formally.

Edited

Fair enough - that wasn’t a great example! Another one I had recently was an email which included the line ‘if you have any questions contact Jane or I’. Now that is definitely incorrect, we were always taught to take the other person out of the sentence and it’s easily clear ‘if you have any questions contact me’ …..or myself 😉😂

iloveanearlynight · 19/09/2026 14:06

FudgeFudy · 18/09/2026 07:21

'Of' instead of 'have' is defiantly the worse common error and I am ashamed to say that I always assume that the miscreant in question is just thick as opposed to, say, dyslexic. A more niche one is 'on mass', and every single time there is a thread about driving loads of people talk about using their 'breaks'.

Defiantly?
Worse?

ElenOfTheWays · 19/09/2026 14:14

CoffeeCantata · 18/09/2026 07:24

Totally disagree.

Niggardly is NOT an archaic word and it's a perfectly good word.

I just couldn't disagree more.

As evidenced by the fact that only ONE person got up in arms about it. Had it been universally misunderstood there would have been a pile of complaints.