To think that Harry and his kids should have security

I think if we are going to have a monarchy in this country then we need to accept that we have to pay for their security, even if they are annoying.

But, we should also demand that the Crown give up its ‘private ownership’ of the sea bed which is allowing them to cash in on wind farms. It’s outrageous that they can treat this as a private asset.

It’s not really that bizarre when you consider that a major part in the revamp of royal security was the fact that the Good Friday Agreement had been in place for a decent period of time and one of the major threats had been removed.

Royal security was increased considerably in 1979 after the assassination of Mountbatten (as was the security of other high profile figures). There was a whole revamp of how threats were assessed and how the security worked. A similar review was done when the bulk of royals lost their 24/7 security.

Exactly my thinking.

They either need it full time or only when there is a threat there really isn’t a inbetween.

Hardly a, Sorry chaps no armed guards between 10-2am or Wednesdays situation is it.

Or guards at home but not out or only when out and not home.

Either way would leave them wide open to this huge threat that the people in the know don’t believe currently exists anyway.

They have security. As non working royals they should get the same as Peter, Zara, Eugenie and Beatrice. They are just throwing a hissy fit because they deem what they get isn’t enough. Ironically if they just didn’t court the media attention then they and their children would probably be safer.

They should get the same security as Princess Ann and Prince Edward’s children did. They were also grandchildren of the Monarch.

Mind you, Princess Ann and Prince Edward were working royals.

It is bizarre that Beatrice and Eugenie were given armed security for so long, even during Eugenie’s gap year, when they were 5th and 6th in line, but now Harry is 5th in line and the King’s child, it’s not given. I know it’s been changed to be linked to active royal service, but it must be a bit of a mind fuck going from being told your cousins need armed security, despite them having no working role, to then you yourself being deemed to no longer need armed security.

No one is interested in them? Come on now.

So - once again - all the other members of the RF who swan about without armed security. How do you think they've managed to stay safe for decades?

No, they were not.

But if you are going to state so strongly that they need armed security, you must have thought about it at least a little bit?

If you think they need armed goons - implying you think there's a very real threat to their safety - the need would be 24/7, wouldn't it? Even if the baddies take tea breaks and have the weekends off, they're hardly likely to share their plans ( wittingly, at least) with RAVEC.

Hopefully RAVEC will tell them NO to the school-run nee-naws and they'll go back to Cali, where everyone can carry a gun.

The fact they moved back is nonsensical. In the summer a visit was considered too dangerous and now they have relocated to the UK? Just baffling!
Moreover to allay their society fears why not move into somewhere where there is already a level of security - Kensington palace or Windsor Park?

These two haven't been back a wet week and the amount of drama!

What they are doing back here is beyond me after their big flounce. Posting pictures of their location really is baffling when they think they are targets!

It all boils down to them believing H should be treated the very same as W and that he is just as special, a prince, a royal, Diana's son etc.

It must be exhausting to be them.

I don't have an opinion on the 24/7 aspect. Perhaps argue that with someone who does.

Why did they do a “moonlight flit” from California?

Where will their privacy tour take them next, as the school run traffic in the UK is just too much for them to stay in the UK.

This.

Even if they got the state-funded security it would always be wrong, because it wasn't at the same level as Louis had, or Katherine's body guard was better looking, or H&M's body guard was too good looking so everyone was swooning over him not Meghan and on and on it would go, whining and whingeing.

They must be utterly exhausting to be around and I wish they had stayed in the US.

So do you think they need 24/7 armed security? If not, then how would it work? Goons and outriders for the school run, and then the not needed for the rest of the time?

I'm not here to deliberate 'when' or 'how much', I have only ever answered on this thread that I think they need armed security – and, as I've said several times, it isn't solely due to the fact that Harry can pay for it, it's because the children are members of the royal family AND 6th/7th in succession. Have the 'when' or 'how much' discussion with someone else who's arguing that.

I have just pointed out that Harry has offered to pay for it because many, many people on this thread keep bleating 'well, he can pay for it then', and I am making it clear he has offered to.

Why should the tax payer pay? The royal family should cover all their own security costs out of their billions.

So when would they require armed security if not when the actual security services that know the risks deem it or 24/7?

We can’t just have people paying to hire armed police basically it’s either based on need or you open it to everyone who has enough money.

I think need is the best spot not want need.

Anyone who believed their children were at high risk would try to get the highest possible protection for them. That's how being a parent works. Since he has offered to pay for the armed protection himself, I can't blame him for trying to secure it.

And I didn't say I think they needed 24/7 security, I said I think they needed armed security.

There's nothing stopping 'Harry' from paying for as much security as he wants, given that he seems to think he needs more than anyone else. I'm not paying for it, though. He's a multi-millionaire.

He doesn't represent the UK - although he does embarrass the UK - why would we be using tax money on him or giving him scarce resources from the Met Police? He can pay for his own goons, not ponce off British taxpayers.

And if he thinks that unlike anyone else at the same state security risk level - i.e. not particularly high - should get road closures and armed police guarding him, like an actual Head of State, he needs a fucking reality check.

People don't get paid-for protection by the state because they are paranoid. He - and his spouse - seem to actually want to attract a security incident by constantly breaking all the genuine rules for keeping your family safe that other well-known people abide by without fuss. He doesn't need us to pay his security, he needs mental health treatment.

Why do two children that most people
don’t know what they look like need armed security 24/7.

When their own parents haven’t been deemed a big enough risk to need it?

That’s the point. The risk is assessed I’d assume now they live here again on a daily basis. If they need it they will get it. But that doesn’t mean they need it 24/7.

Do you really think if there was an immediate, genuine threat to him or his kids RAVEC would see it and say “not our problem?”

They’d have more security if the risk is there.

Just as an increase in threat would see Princess Anne’s security stepped up, or Zara Philips receiving security for a period of a specific threat was there. In exactly the same way in the big review they were able to step down the 24 hours security they all had (in very large part due to the Good Friday agreement).

I received police protection while I was a witness in a court case. I don’t have it now as it’s not needed. The people that judge the threat and plan security levels know what they are doing.

That still has nothing to do with the children being in need of armed security – their mother posting photographs is not their choice, being in or out of the royal family is not their choice.

And what difference does it make, especially to the above, if Megan did inadvertently reveal a hint to their geographic location? They were never going to keep the location private for any meaningful length of time. It would be impossible to.