25 Years on from the biggest terrorist attack and Iran still funding proxies

Oh I think we know. It's the usual lazy go to accusation when they want to shut down discussion on this topic. As for the left and right not being relevant - it's always pertinent in political and warfare narrative.

And what other thing would that be?

Yeah. It's playbook stuff.

I saw the thread, and I was not going to post going by the title alone, respect for the dead and the date etc. But then I read below the title, and I see things claimed that look factually wrong. So I post seeking clarification, as did yourself. Then the accusation of "lefties support terrorism", reply, and then the accusations of the "left are intolerant"

Happens all the time. Instead of, as you say, addressing the points raised.

And I daresay if I ask how some posters manage to identify a "lefty" from a few lines of text, I will maybe be accused of being " an intellectual" or something like that. Next it will be left elite or whatever, and it's into a whole new "Reform" type thread. Clash of cultures etc.

And potentially, we are in a situation there 9/11 is being used by people with some other thing in mind.

Perhaps if the current POTUS hadn't fucked around and got the US into a position where Iran can fuck the West's economies and the USA can do sod all about it (re-name Hormuz as "the Straights of America" perhaps?), things might be different.

The USA is fast running out of friends (Israel excepted - for all the good they are) and China is watching and waiting.

I did contribute. I explained why the specious ThEy HaTe OuR fReEdOm thing was wrong and that the motivation for the attacks was the perceived unwanted intervention by the West in the Middle East.

That was then taken as me somehow excusing the attacks which is ridiculous and offensive so I pointed that out.

But as you raised the point about contributions to this thread, other than your two comments trying to crowbar left v right politics into a debate about international terrorism, what have you contributed to this thread?

How many times does it happen, not just on MN and proves they are just intolerant.

Why do so many on the left immediately resort to making petty insults about someone’s intelligence when they have nothing better to contribute?

I saw some awful comments on Facebook yesterday about who was really behind 9/11. It wasn't the US this time, it was the most persecuted people in history who had carried out the attack. Sick fucks. I'm glad I don't know anyone who can see how the Iran regime plays out on its own people - never mind anyone else - and still support them.

I agree OP but the appeasing left, as you can see, will be more worried about racism than all those innocent people killed. They really are ignorant about what's happening and as for saying the USA is more of a threat to us!

Another day another shit stirring hate filled rant on mumsnet, I commented the same on another similar thread yesterday - that thread wss deleted thankfully.

This !

When you say they hate the freedoms in the west, and want to destroy it, can you explain why ?

This is something I often hear, but I have never heard the people who say it give a reason as to why they do.

For example. There are 1.4 billion people in China who have nothing like the freedom found in the west. But we don't hear anyone saying the Chinese want to destroy the west because of freedoms.

I remember Bin Laden did give a reason for the attack, but I don't recall it was to do with hating freedom. I thought it was about US troops, or infidels, being in Saudi Arabia. He did not want "non believers" in what he considered as a holy land.

And the USA is still funding proxies doing awful things

But it is not Iran, itis Saudi Arabia and always has been.
Iran became quite westernised and progressive until the 1979 religious uprising that brought down the Shah.
America is being played and manipulated.

I'd hoped my tongues in-cheekness was obviously perceptible.

Fuck the US.

Hence their current friendship with Saudi A and trade sanctions on Canada who took in thousands of mostly Americans that day when the latter's air space was closed.

If you read what I wrote as making excuses for Bin Laden then you really need to work on your reading comprehension skills.

Nah, the US really cares about Freedom and Democracy!

Hence their attempts at the liberation of Canada.

An act planned by a Saudi bafflingly resulted in the US and allied complete destruction of Iraq and a 20 year occupation of Afghanistan, opened the way for ISIS to bring Syria into it and strengthened Iran’s resolve to resist western aggression.

And around the circle we go.

To try to frame the motives of Bin Laden et al as "they hate our freedom" is so spectacularly wrong and jingoistic it's both sickening and deeply misleading.

The primary motivation was the perceived meddling by the West in the politics, economics and conflicts of the Middle East. That's what Bin Laden, his backers and his adherents saw themselves as striking a blow against. It wasn't about our "freedom", it was about - from their point of view - countries thousands of miles away playing power games in their home countries.

Condemnation from the UK government.

I don't see much condemnation of them on Mumsnet or elsewhere, considering.

It isn't the biggest terrorist attack. Just the biggest affecting Americans. Or do you consider the others acts of war ?